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Old 05-24-2016, 09:08 AM   #14776
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That's true, but if that's what he had it means his call was correct. It doesnt mean my all in was bad. The point is that I win a lot of big pots by shoving in spots where everyone here would say its stupid because I will never get called by worse but they do. That was just one example.

$5/$10 the other day.

UTG limps, I limp UTG+2 with KK because the button raises every time. Button makes it $45. SB calls. UTG calls. I reraise to $155. Folds back to UTG who calls. What does someone limp UTG with, then call $45, then call $155? Who the hell knows.

Flop T76 with FD. He checks. I shove for about $650. He tank calls.
Turn 3
River 4
Flush draw gets there. He mucks when I show.

So he called with what? The best I think he can have there is 99 and had a pair and gutshot and 3-1 dog to an overpair or TP all the while thinking he could be ahead and hoping I had overcards?
QQ, JJ?
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Old 05-24-2016, 09:29 AM   #14777
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That's true, but if that's what he had it means his call was correct. It doesnt mean my all in was bad. The point is that I win a lot of big pots by shoving in spots where everyone here would say its stupid because I will never get called by worse but they do. That was just one example.

$5/$10 the other day.

UTG limps, I limp UTG+2 with KK because the button raises every time. Button makes it $45. SB calls. UTG calls. I reraise to $155. Folds back to UTG who calls. What does someone limp UTG with, then call $45, then call $155? Who the hell knows.

Flop T76 with FD. He checks. I shove for about $650. He tank calls.
Turn 3
River 4
Flush draw gets there. He mucks when I show.

So he called with what? The best I think he can have there is 99 and had a pair and gutshot and 3-1 dog to an overpair or TP all the while thinking he could be ahead and hoping I had overcards?
This is two examples now. That's all I need to be convinced.



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Old 05-24-2016, 09:35 AM   #14778
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Do 5/10 players limp QQ/JJ UTG? Ive played with this guy a small amount at 2/5 and Ive never seen him do it there.

I have plenty of examples of hands like this, but there's no point in posting them. There are also examples where I overbet and villain folded so I know there are also plenty of times where I fold out a weaker hand.

My only point is that there is more than one way to play poker, but some people here seem to think that if you play a different way than what THEY think is optimal, then you must stink or that your logic is flawed. It doesnt matter that the person may have 100s or 1000s hrs of play with win rates higher or in the same ballpark as theirs. They just assume you must stink cuz you don't play like them.
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Old 05-24-2016, 09:37 AM   #14779
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Do 5/10 players limp QQ/JJ UTG? Ive played with this guy a small amount at 2/5 and Ive never seen him do it there.

I have plenty of examples of hands like this, but there's no point in posting them. There are also examples where I overbet and villain folded so I know there are also plenty of times where I fold out a weaker hand.

My only point is that there is more than one way to play poker, but some people here seem to think that if you play a different way than what THEY think is optimal, then you must stink or that your logic is flawed. It doesnt matter that the person may have 100s or 1000s hrs of play with win rates higher or in the same ballpark as theirs. They just assume you must stink cuz you don't play like them.
Well, you limped KK, so yeah, players would probably limp big pairs expecting the button to raise, if they are only half as smart as you, right?
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Old 05-24-2016, 09:38 AM   #14780
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And, yeah, they most likely would have L/RRed those hands.
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Old 05-24-2016, 09:48 AM   #14781
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Do 5/10 players limp QQ/JJ UTG? Ive played with this guy a small amount at 2/5 and Ive never seen him do it there.

I have plenty of examples of hands like this, but there's no point in posting them. There are also examples where I overbet and villain folded so I know there are also plenty of times where I fold out a weaker hand.

My only point is that there is more than one way to play poker, but some people here seem to think that if you play a different way than what THEY think is optimal, then you must stink or that your logic is flawed. It doesnt matter that the person may have 100s or 1000s hrs of play with win rates higher or in the same ballpark as theirs. They just assume you must stink cuz you don't play like them.
If your logic sucks they're probably right.
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Old 05-24-2016, 10:10 AM   #14782
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OR...they dont understand my logic and we are both right. Their way works and so does mine. If it works it works. It doesnt matter who agrees with it.
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Old 05-24-2016, 10:51 AM   #14783
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i would like to give $5 $10 a shot one time even though i have maybe a few sessions under my belt with only $1 $2 Do you think if i bought in for $1000 i could hold my own with them and maybe get lucky and scoop a pot or do you think the sharks will gobble up my 1k in a few hands?
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Old 05-24-2016, 11:01 AM   #14784
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Old 05-24-2016, 11:21 AM   #14785
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OR...they dont understand my logic and we are both right. Their way works and so does mine. If it works it works. It doesnt matter who agrees with it.
FWIW, no one is refuting that there are multiple approaches to one decision point. If anything, you seem to be the only one who believes that there is only one "acceptable" approach, and you are playing an entirely different approach.
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Old 05-24-2016, 11:30 AM   #14786
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OR...they dont understand my logic and we are both right. Their way works and so does mine. If it works it works. It doesnt matter who agrees with it.
So far you have provided nothing but faulty logic. And that is beside the point that I agree there are more than one winning style. I'm just not convinced from your statements that you have any idea why one works or doesn't.
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Old 05-24-2016, 11:36 AM   #14787
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But he won.

And if he lost, he still won because he has AIEV chart that proves it.
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Old 05-24-2016, 11:38 AM   #14788
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Old 05-24-2016, 11:41 AM   #14789
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Speaking of which, every time I am in an AI situation, I am going to yell toward the dealer "hold the door, hold the door!"
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Old 05-24-2016, 11:54 AM   #14790
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This is the guy that came in here claiming that 100 hours was sufficient to determine a winrate, gets all bent out of shape in HH threads when people question his logic, and gets bitchslapped by RP on a regular basis ITT, right?

I'm convinced. I'm going to overshove like a monkey in stupid spots too now.

(Nevermind that none of those are really "nothing worse will call" spots at all.)
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Old 05-24-2016, 11:59 AM   #14791
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At exactly 400 hours after last session, and reversed course on a pretty sharp downswing, and got back over $10k profit in 2016



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Old 05-24-2016, 12:10 PM   #14792
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At exactly 400 hours after last session, and reversed course on a pretty sharp downswing, and got back over $10k profit in 2016



Nice work and thanks for sharing.

Assume playing 1/2?

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Old 05-24-2016, 12:17 PM   #14793
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i would like to give $5 $10 a shot one time even though i have maybe a few sessions under my belt with only $1 $2 Do you think if i bought in for $1000 i could hold my own with them and maybe get lucky and scoop a pot or do you think the sharks will gobble up my 1k in a few hands?
There's no such thing as "sharks". Theres just you, your cards, and lady luck. Whether or not you will or lose does not at all depend on your skill level. I'd put my $1000 on the table and pray to the poker gods that today was going to be my day! Do it man
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Old 05-24-2016, 12:17 PM   #14794
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Tbf when people say "they'll never call with worse" they don't ACTUALLY mean never. They mean we can't reasonably expect them to much at all unless we have specific reads.
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Old 05-24-2016, 12:22 PM   #14795
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It's humorous that people will say "I don't think they can call with worse", yet if they show up in the same spot with complete air, they'll fail to bluff and say "I don't think he's ever folding top pair/mid pair here"

WELL WHICH IS IT?
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Old 05-24-2016, 12:26 PM   #14796
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WELL WHICH IS IT?
MUBS. It's always MUBS.
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Old 05-24-2016, 12:40 PM   #14797
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At exactly 400 hours after last session, and reversed course on a pretty sharp downswing, and got back over $10k profit in 2016



Nice graph homerdash. All the same stakes?

I'm trying to hit 1000 hours this year but I'm behind pace.
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Old 05-24-2016, 12:42 PM   #14798
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There's no such thing as "sharks". Theres just you, your cards, and lady luck. Whether or not you will or lose does not at all depend on your skill level. I'd put my $1000 on the table and pray to the poker gods that today was going to be my day! Do it man
I agree wholeheartedly the thing that got me hooked on the game like many others is that in only my second tournament last summer i finished 3rd not having a clue as to how to play correctly with the exception of knowing the basics. I have improved a bit to the level where i am comfortable at the table and could sort of hold my own since last year but nowhere near $5 $ 10 skill level let alone $2 $5 but like you said anything could happen if poker gods want today to be my day
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Old 05-24-2016, 01:08 PM   #14799
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I should have mentioned that's all 1/2 300max barring 20 hours of 1/3 300max running at +9bb/hr
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I agree wholeheartedly the thing that got me hooked on the game like many others is that in only my second tournament last summer i finished 3rd not having a clue as to how to play correctly with the exception of knowing the basics. I have improved a bit to the level where i am comfortable at the table and could sort of hold my own since last year but nowhere near $5 $ 10 skill level let alone $2 $5 but like you said anything could happen if poker gods want today to be my day


If you "wholeheartedly agree" that poker is all about luck then how can you
A) improve?
B) consider 5/T a higher skill level than 2/5 or 1/2?

You're trolling contradicts itself within the same post
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