Uncapped game of that size is a very very different game than LLSNL.

Even a crusher of LLSNL can easily be a fish without first building up a comfort level.

Agreed. These were the games I primarily played for about 2 years. Much different than your average 100bb 2/5 game at your local casino. But even the standard 2/5 games at my closest casino play with no cap and very very deep.

Even as a crusher of 3/5, I am probably a fish in your game.

I'm just a touch overweight.



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I have over 5k live hours at the $5 blind level and my biggest downswing was about $8k. I just experienced a 6k downswing recently and feel I am way better now than the 8k one. A lot of crazy things happened that I have almost never seen before. I find it really hard to believe one could go through a 16k downswing at this level and still consider themselves a great player. JMO.

What if that player has double of your WR?

Why do you get such a kick out of debating every thing said in this thread? Its almost as if you think you are the only person who knows anything. Kind of like a "know-it-all". Most know it alls that I've been around, are wrong more than they are right, but Im sure you'll tell me that Im wrong.

He just asked a simple question.

mike are you upset

All you have to do is read any small portion of this very long thread and you will see him "asking a simple" question all the time, but that simple question is just him trying to debate every point that anyone that is not named Richard Parker makes. It got old about 150 pages ago.

Of course not.

Why not?

Can you turn a simple question into 10 pages of debate?

Mike why are you so upset?

Because your simple comments don't satisfy my desire to learn.

Plus if I know it all, I wouldn't ask.

FWIW I mostly don't think it's worth tracking because when it's obvious you'll know and when it's not it's not significant enough to matter. Like a case like this a guy is down a **** ton of buy ins but he knows they have got it in bad and hit every draw for months now. It's obvious. Most ppl who track it seem to obsess though and if it's at all close it's likely not that big a deal. I'm down 3K in AIEV and only down 2K I must be playing well for example. Well, you could easily be getting a few thousand dollars worth of an unfair share of premium starters for example. To me, it's just not worth stressing over. I'm more worried about if Worm is base dealing than typing in my $tat$ wrt all in luck and coolers but that's just me/to each his own.

I was just posting about having 10k swings at $5 big blind games. I think they are normal and a $16k downswing is abnormal but not unrealistic

All of this seems to disregard the fact that Jbuz plays a very strong game of pushing small EV edges and marginal situations. Judging from strat threads he's good at this and his reads are adequate to play this type of game.

And his win rate demonstrates that it's working for him. On the flip side because of the small edge he pushes in many hands it's easy to go off the rails variance wise. So I believe the downswing could be purely cards driven with a smattering of tilt. It doesn't mean he's not a winning player. Only JB knows the distribution of losing hands involved.

Depends on who you ask

dont bother, he wont stop

I have been on a downswing for more than 4 months playing only $1 $2 but when i read about the downswing $$ amts on this thread it makes mine seem paltry. Comparing $$ downswings is not the issue . The issue is losing and i hate losing . Every weekend im making my daily deposit at the Borgata $1 $ 2 table constantly losing coin flips out kicked with the nuts it just goes on and on and i am getting sick and tired of it. They use the term variance as a substitute for degen gambling same way they use the term "unit" as opposed to toupee in a hair restoration clinic. It just sounds better but all its doing is alleviating from the truth . Anyhow i basically came in here to find out what is average buy in for $1 $2 ? I have been buying in for 50 to 75 BB and i think that might be relatively small but then again the more i put out on the table the more they will takeith away

If you hate losing more than you enjoy winning, you sir have mental leaks.

At least you have the balls to post your losses in dollar amts where others will either boast about their profits, say they broke even or made a few bucks. Last two are usually lies. Then you have the rare few that lie about how much they lost citing astronomical figures so their friends don't feel bad after they lost. If you stoop to that level you are the lowest of the low in my opinion. Honestly from a personal standpoint if i lost 16k i would have to give up poker altogether and that would kill me. I place a cap on how much i lose only because i dont want to give up the game as a hobby and if i ever lost real big like five figure range, i without question would have to find a new hobby . I hope things turn around for you so far it has not for me

People vent all the time in this thread, and just remember, very few players actually win in poker.

You would think no one ever loses...

Population bias though


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Please be shutting the **** up zoltan

This.

I'll admit this month has been very trying for me. Every shot at 2/5 for me has failed miserably.

I gave my kid sister 4000 from my roll for some medical bills and immediately the doomswitch was turned on. Run bad continued for 2 weeks. Lost my confidence in my regular game and started losing there almost daily. A game I had been crushing for months. It was all directly related to my mindset. As horrible as it sounds despite thinking my mind was clear and each day was new I was, in fact, expecting to lose each day and, in turn, I did. Seriously considered quitting altogether.

Taking a break for a few days helped tremendously.

Richard Parker is completely right though. Most players lose. Most players won't be talking about the losses because it isn't fun to do so.

Anyways since this is winrate thread I should probably talk about it a little:

Ran my $1/$2 $300max bankroll requirements for my winrate this year and it made me laugh

400 hours
$23.99/hr
Standard deviation: 160.22
1% Risk of ruin calculator
Bankroll requirement: $2463.90

Now obviously I took money out for my sister once but I'd never feel comfortable with that little in my game. That's like 8 buyins. I'm lucky I haven't been swongy in this game but my shots at 2/5 have been meh.