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Old 04-18-2016, 11:51 AM   #14301
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How unusual is it that I refuse to look at my stats? I know about how many hours I've got, but no clue about win rate or total profit.
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Old 04-18-2016, 11:52 AM   #14302
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Pretty sure that given higher number of players and likely non-regs that wander into poker room on weekends, weekend games are more profitable.
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Old 04-18-2016, 11:53 AM   #14303
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How unusual is it that I refuse to look at my stats? I know about how many hours I've got, but no clue about win rate or total profit.
Pretty unusual to keep stat in the first place.
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Old 04-18-2016, 11:58 AM   #14304
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Pretty sure that given higher number of players and likely non-regs that wander into poker room on weekends, weekend games are more profitable.
This - and after my kid graduated from high school I switched to a grave schedule for decent sized sample. My w/r increased significantly. Drunken shenanigans that just dont happen during the day go down on the regular.
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Old 04-18-2016, 12:21 PM   #14305
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Probably so, but it would be nice to have a bunch of people break down their win rates by weekends and weekdays to see how many people have noticeably better win rates on weekends.
I'd love to aggregate some detailed data from a bunch of players. No time though.

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Pretty sure that given higher number of players and likely non-regs that wander into poker room on weekends, weekend games are more profitable.
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This - and after my kid graduated from high school I switched to a grave schedule for decent sized sample. My w/r increased significantly. Drunken shenanigans that just dont happen during the day go down on the regular.
I concur with this assessment. Weekend games when/where the alcohol is flowing are the best games. I don't expect this to show up in everyone's stats though. The better games tend to have more money going in light, and one or two suck-outs in 200BB+ pots will torch your winrate when your sample is smallish.


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How unusual is it that I refuse to look at my stats? I know about how many hours I've got, but no clue about win rate or total profit.
What's the point of keeping them if you're not using them?
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Old 04-18-2016, 12:32 PM   #14306
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I'll look at them eventually, when I get a meaningful sample.

I've actually got a pretty large sample (>2k hours), but it's a weird jumble dating back a few years and doesn't really offer any real info.
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Old 04-18-2016, 12:45 PM   #14307
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I'm addicted to checking my stats
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Old 04-18-2016, 01:16 PM   #14308
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I'm addicted to checking my stats
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Review mine after every session along with reviewing interesting hands.

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Old 04-18-2016, 01:27 PM   #14309
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I'm addicted to checking my stats
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BTW, sick winrates for everyone, nice job.

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Old 04-18-2016, 01:49 PM   #14310
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Only winners like to look at stats, ldo.
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Old 04-18-2016, 06:28 PM   #14311
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Agree with weekend games being better, and my home room usually has nice promos during the week and weekends are still better.

About 60% of my hours are Fri & Sat and I'm at 14bb/hr and 16bb/hr respectively
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Old 04-19-2016, 11:32 AM   #14312
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Getting to play this Friday night, first time I'm playing prime-time in FOREVER.

Obviously my one session will for once and for all determine whether weekends are better than weeknights.
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Old 04-19-2016, 11:55 AM   #14313
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Getting to play this Friday night, first time I'm playing prime-time in FOREVER.

Obviously my one session will for once and for all determine whether weekends are better than weeknights.
Unusual opportunity, excitement, prime time...

Nobody runs good in that spot.
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Old 04-19-2016, 07:46 PM   #14314
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Getting to play this Friday night, first time I'm playing prime-time in FOREVER.

Obviously my one session will for once and for all determine whether weekends are better than weeknights.

was planning on taking friday off...now I clearly cant.
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Old 04-19-2016, 07:51 PM   #14315
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deathcab getting bumhunted ITT
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Old 04-19-2016, 07:59 PM   #14316
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was planning on taking friday off...now I clearly cant.
Yum yum come git some, fishhhhhhh
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Old 04-19-2016, 08:46 PM   #14317
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Sweet I'm gonna come nit it up at 2/5 after I crush some bakery food
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Old 04-22-2016, 01:36 PM   #14318
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thinly veiled brag ahead

Here's a recent (since October) sample that is 500+ hours and a 10bb/hr+ WR

you should move up

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I wonder if $50/hr is sustainable these days in a 2-5. That's what I made playing 10-25 once a week last year although I did lose 3 30K+ pot. Now I'm trying to decide if 2-5 is worth my time.
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Old 04-22-2016, 01:37 PM   #14319
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shoulda waited to win another 1200 to make it more more legit but whatever im oi

game is 500 cap 2/5 with 7 dollar rake 9 handed if anyone is wondering.
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People obsess over risk of ruin from the cards... much more likely life bites your roll, not poker

- medical
- family
- women
- cars / home
- degen habits (drugs, pit, sports betting)
- theft

... about the only people immune to the life risk are those with high paying jobs. And for those people, you don't need a roll for LLSNL

If you are a winning full time player - poker is not going to sink you, everything else might
this is so damn true

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Old 04-22-2016, 03:23 PM   #14320
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tbh only thing the stats from these current 10bb/hr crushers proves is that they are running well. especially in live poker, if a person doesn't run well in the big pots/ all ins then they don't bring home the money.

its not what people want to hear but huge majority people who stick around the longest are basically the ones who don't run bad for long stretches. in something as fickle as live poker, a person can do everything right, play well, game select well, bmr etc but frankly if they don't run well in those amazing spots more than average then they don't stick around.

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Old 04-22-2016, 03:29 PM   #14321
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Somebody sounds jelly.
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Old 04-22-2016, 03:46 PM   #14322
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I most definitely am.

i mean look, if we could somehow compile all the hands of these "crushers" then without a doubt we would see how well they run specifically in 3b pots/ all ins. but they're not smart enough to realize it or their egos are too big to admit that yes, they play the standard abc tag game and run well in the right spots. nothing special.

all you have to do is listen to some of these guys about their "bad beats" or just look at the smug look on their faces.

def jelly its gotta be amazing to live in a bubble

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Old 04-22-2016, 03:56 PM   #14323
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I could be wrong, but I think I've only seen one other person than myself post a >= 2000 hours stats in this thread (if I recall, it was like for 4000+ hours for what many would consider a mediocre winrate, although I thought it was incredibly impressive if even just for sticktoitniveness alone). ETA: Come to think of it, I can think of at least one other that has posted > 2000 hours, and if I recall they hit an insane downswing outta nowhere after smoothsailing for the first 1800.

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Old 04-22-2016, 04:16 PM   #14324
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tbh only thing the stats from these current 10bb/hr crushers proves is that they are running well. especially in live poker, if a person doesn't run well in the big pots/ all ins then they don't bring home the money.

its not what people want to hear but huge majority people who stick around the longest are basically the ones who don't run bad for long stretches. in something as fickle as live poker, a person can do everything right, play well, game select well, bmr etc but frankly if they don't run well in those amazing spots more than average then they don't stick around.

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I could be wrong, but I think I've only seen one other person than myself post a >= 2000 hours stats in this thread (if I recall, it was like for 4000+ hours for what many would consider a mediocre winrate, although I thought it was incredibly impressive if even just for sticktoitniveness alone). ETA: Come to think of it, I can think of at least one other that has posted > 2000 hours, and if I recall they hit an insane downswing outta nowhere after smoothsailing for the first 1800.

Gnicestatsandall,really,but1000hoursain't****,imoG


That was probably me. Some very rough patches in there, like 500 hours of breakeven or losing sessions. But not enough to go broke so I just kept playing and reading. I think I've seen maybe 1 or 2 other samples in the 2000 hour range, and anecdotal comments for several others claiming similar records. You're right that it's rare.

For a little perspective since the graph dump at the start of the year:

Feb: +$813 over 48 hours, $17/hr
Mar: +$2176 over 65.5 hours, $33.25/hr
Apr: +$2365 over 40 hours, $59.50/hr

So there's a 150hours sample with a crushing winrate. I've got a couple of winning PLO sessions in there, but also a couple of losers. I've definitely been running well, much better than last year (mostly in terms of hands holding up, rarely get it *in* from behind to suck out).


My perspective is that a winning player can and will go flat for long periods when things go badly. You play well and chip up only to get whacked with the variance hammer. Play it back up, whack. Repeat. You may end sessions up and down, but end up basically breakeven for a stretch. The process is frustrating and I think feeds back on itself for most people. Then when the variance pendulum swings the other way you can make progress and book consistent wins.


Edit: The graphs were in post 13662, and following discussion https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...l#post49452424

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Old 04-22-2016, 04:38 PM   #14325
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^^^^ Yes, this was the one I was thinking of.

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