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Old 04-13-2016, 05:43 PM   #14276
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Those are some massive downswings. You must be playing one hell of an aggressive style. Whats your win rate?
4-6bbs an hr in mostly 1k cap games although I regularly add on extra blacks. I have a lot of leaks and things to work on but one of the best players I know regularly loses 4K a night playing the same games. I don't think 10k swings are that uncommon and I really feel like playing over rolled is the way to go. There really isn't anything stopping you from having your four worst days back to back to back, which is over 10k for a lot of people.


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Old 04-13-2016, 05:52 PM   #14277
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4-6bbs an hr in mostly 1k cap games although I regularly add on extra blacks. I have a lot of leaks and things to work on but one of the best players I know regularly loses 4K a night playing the same games. I don't think 10k swings are that uncommon and I really feel like playing over rolled is the way to go. There really isn't anything stopping you from having your four worst days back to back to back, which is over 10k for a lot of people.


I am not that great at poker yet
4-6BBs/hr is not bad at all considering most people lose. However, I would say you need to figure out why you are having such big downswings. Thats not all that normal. One of the best players you know regularly loses $4k per night? If that's the case, hes not as good as you think he is and you need to get to know some better players.
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Old 04-13-2016, 05:59 PM   #14278
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I hit a milestone of 100 sessions since learning there were poker apps to record your sessions.



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Old 04-13-2016, 06:07 PM   #14279
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Very solid - nice work
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Old 04-13-2016, 06:09 PM   #14280
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Like I said it was one BB. 10-25 is just what I play lately. In Macau I played 300-600 through 2000-5000 HKD. I don't have a big ego as I was rarely the best player in those games except for when I first got there in 2008. If I had a big ego I would be playing nosebleeds online. Instead I just collect rents and dividends.


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I didn't realize your HH was from a 10/25 game...oh wait it wasnt. Go whine somewhere else because your ego is so big you can ONLY play bigger games. Just like not all hands are played the same not all games are the same. You keep mentioning bigger games and 10/25 like it's the only way poker is played. Fact is 99% of 2/5 games never play the way you speak of. So when we point out how the 2/5 hand you posted was played poorly and the reasoning behind it the response we get is basically we are just nits grinding. LOL GL in that new career
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Old 04-13-2016, 06:11 PM   #14281
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^^^^ @ MikeStarr

Sick session winning percentage too.

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Old 04-13-2016, 06:11 PM   #14282
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I think Phil Ivey would be smart enough to adjust his play to lower stakes capped buy in games....or he would lose also.
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Old 04-13-2016, 10:39 PM   #14283
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From what I saw from playing with him for a few hours in 2000-5000 HKD full ring you would be wrong. To him this is a small game but when I play a small game I dont take the blinds or post and then leave after playing the button. He did this repeatedly. Later we found out why since it was Black Friday. Anyway, he shouldn't have been playing just donating blinds to us. I only played one memorable hand with him. I open 3X from early with AK fish calls from MP reg calls from LP Ivey makes it 15X from the button. I want to play with the fish but not with Ivey OOP. Its just a matter of how big the fish is. I figure he's not big enough of a fish to get it in with me on the flop without flopping at least top pair so I ship it 100X. Everyone folds to Ivey he tanks for a few minutes as if he has a pair maybe in the range of 99 to JJ which is bad news for me since I didn't sell any pieces in this big game like I usually do. Eventually he folds and takes another phone call.

It's kind of like saying anyone who is smart will buy a car used instead of new. Anyone who thinks this doesn't realize how easy it is for some people to make money. Personally I have never bought a new car but I'm cheap. There are plenty of smart people that do.

Many of the other big name online nosebleeds players took some time to adjust to full ring also. For example, a lot of players like to isolate the fish and then often fire three smaller sized barrels since they are limping pre with such a weak range. They will be chasing with a wide range and often fold on the river. However the Macau fish are a different breed and some used to call all the way with any pair. Against these fish no one would let you iso as you are likely to get three bet.

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Old 04-14-2016, 12:33 AM   #14284
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Interesting post thanks
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Old 04-14-2016, 12:57 AM   #14285
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For example, a lot of players like to isolate the fish and then often fire three smaller sized barrels since they are limping pre with such a weak range. They will be chasing with a wide range and often fold on the river.
Yep, everyone likes to barrel against weak players who fold on river.

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However the Macau fish are a different breed and some used to call all the way with any pair. Against these fish no one would let you iso as you are likely to get three bet.
Nope, no one likes to barrel against weak players only to find out they have better hands on river.

Maybe, just maybe, try barreling with hands that can beat bluff catcher?
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Old 04-14-2016, 02:52 AM   #14286
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That isn't how I generally played the big games back in 2008-2011 because I didn't have the roll back then. Now that I have the roll those games dried up.

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Yep, everyone likes to barrel against weak

Maybe, just maybe, try barreling with hands that can beat bluff catcher?
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Old 04-15-2016, 09:33 AM   #14287
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I hit a milestone of 100 sessions since learning there were poker apps to record your sessions.



nice stats. what app is that?
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Old 04-15-2016, 09:40 AM   #14288
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nice stats. what app is that?


RunGood. I have it on iOS, not sure if there is an android version
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Old 04-15-2016, 09:44 AM   #14289
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RunGood. I have it on iOS, not sure if there is an android version
Just looked it up, doesn't seem like there is an android version. Does anyone have a good recommendation for a tracking app on android?
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Old 04-15-2016, 09:53 AM   #14290
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RunGood. I have it on iOS, not sure if there is an android version
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Just looked it up, doesn't seem like there is an android version. Does anyone have a good recommendation for a tracking app on android?
I use poker income on Android. Does what I need it to.

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Old 04-15-2016, 10:12 AM   #14291
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I use Poker Session Logger on Android.
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Old 04-17-2016, 09:58 PM   #14292
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Can we make this thread a sticky?
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Old 04-17-2016, 10:02 PM   #14293
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It's linked in Best of LLSNL. What would making it a sticky do better?
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Old 04-17-2016, 10:06 PM   #14294
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It's linked in Best of LLSNL. What would making it a sticky do better?
Oh. Never mind, then.
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Old 04-18-2016, 03:13 AM   #14295
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thinly veiled brag ahead

Here's a recent (since October) sample that is 500+ hours and a 10bb/hr+ WR

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Old 04-18-2016, 08:20 AM   #14296
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Very nice , Homer
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Old 04-18-2016, 10:31 AM   #14297
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Some stats. Not large sample size in hours, but about most I can do over the past 6 months as a weekend warrior.

Giraffe is win\loss per session

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Old 04-18-2016, 11:24 AM   #14298
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Looking at your numbers I come up with an estimate of about $38 per hour on Sat/Sun and $21 on weekdays. About 70% of your play is on weekends

That made me go back and look at my numbers. Mine weren't quite as drastic as yours but I do have about 50% better win rate on weekends but I only play about 30% on weekends. I estimate that if I played 70% on weekends, my win rate could raise another 25% or so. Interesting.
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Old 04-18-2016, 11:27 AM   #14299
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Too small of sample size to draw such conclusion.
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Old 04-18-2016, 11:42 AM   #14300
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Too small of sample size to draw such conclusion.
Probably so, but it would be nice to have a bunch of people break down their win rates by weekends and weekdays to see how many people have noticeably better win rates on weekends.
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