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Old 02-25-2016, 10:15 PM   #13726
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Old 02-25-2016, 10:22 PM   #13727
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Old 02-26-2016, 07:06 AM   #13728
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Need more info of dynamics of your games. I've never had a downswing over 1k since I took a 1.3k down in February 2015. I buyin for $300 but the avg stack is only $200 though & U can only straddle utg. I think I play about 80% of my hands OTB CO HJ or steal seat.
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So how many hours is that? What's your definition of "downswing"? It's pretty easy to lose 2-3 flips in a row or otherwise punt $1-2k from ahead over the course of a couple of sessions.
I believe it took close to 2 weeks. I was playing about 25 hrs a week, so 40-50 hours or so.

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I was playing a lot in a local casino in Detroit, along with a bunch of trips to Vegas/AC for various other things where I put in nice chunks of hours. Now it's more weighted toward the local charity poker rooms. So it's a variety.

Most of the games I sit in have $300 max buys, with most stacks in the $150-250 range, although there's often 1 or 2 bigger stacks on each table.
This is the same dynamic I find myself in & it is rare that I find myself in a situation where my whole stack is in the middle OTF.

The biggest pot I was ever involved in was in July 2014, when it was 3-way. I had AA, one player was all-in otf with a str8 draw to Broadway & the other guy had AK with TPTK & bdfd. Turned flush draw, bet $200, I put him all-in for his last $200 & won the pot. $1160.00. I have never encountered that since, although I've witnessed it. However, it is a rare event.

About a month ago I was in the game for $825 on a Friday night, with only $275 in front of me, but managed to go home a <$100 winner. Happens when someone calls your all-in OTT as a 3.5:1 dog getting 2:1 pot odds. Still, that doesn't even happen that often, except now.........tax refund time.

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Typical LLSNL stuff, lots of limpers and multi-way raised pots, players are bad in extreme ways. Calling stations mostly, with the occasional aggrotard and smattering of OMCs. The games in and around Detroit are pretty good, but from my experience playing other places they're not that far out of the ordinary for most markets.
Sounds about the same as what I see in MD area.
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Old 02-27-2016, 03:30 PM   #13729
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Old 02-27-2016, 07:26 PM   #13730
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So anyone with those big downswings want to tell me how much they attribute to bad play and how much was runbad?


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Old 02-27-2016, 08:26 PM   #13731
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Is there a consensus on what's considered CRUSHING at 1/2?
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Old 02-27-2016, 08:57 PM   #13732
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Is there a consensus on what's considered CRUSHING at 1/2?
If you can make 5bb per hour on average at w.e game you play I would say you are in the top 5% of players of that game.

But the term crushing is subjective people like to throw out the 10bb per hour number but if you can do that then chances are you would move up stakes.

Then there are a few of us that say numbers like 20bb+ are possible, but I'm not going to spend 2000 hours to find out if I can personally do it although I believe I could. I may spend like a week doing it for giggles but people will proably argue sample size.
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Old 02-27-2016, 09:11 PM   #13733
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Is there a consensus on what's considered CRUSHING at 1/2?
Consensus has narrowed it down to $25-$60 / hr.
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Old 02-27-2016, 10:04 PM   #13734
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Consensus has narrowed it down to $25-$60 / hr.
I'm hoping to God that everyone would agree that $20 an hour is crushing. I'm just saying that I consider $10 a hour crushing.

There was a debate on what the highest rates achieveable are, but that debate shouldn't change that 10$ an hour is really good at 1/2
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Old 02-28-2016, 01:42 AM   #13735
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If you are a crusher but you havent moved up after x amount of time, how much of a crusher are you really?
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Old 02-28-2016, 03:46 AM   #13736
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If you are a crusher but you havent moved up after x amount of time, how much of a crusher are you really?

One without an ego?
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Old 02-28-2016, 04:58 AM   #13737
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Old 02-28-2016, 05:52 AM   #13738
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If you are a crusher but you havent moved up after x amount of time, how much of a crusher are you really?
A crusher in a locale without higher stakes?
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Old 02-28-2016, 07:59 AM   #13739
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If you are a crusher but you havent moved up after x amount of time, how much of a crusher are you really?
I would not call myself a crusher, but I have a respectable winrate over a reasonable sample size and have been playing for a living for a little over 2 years.

one of the reasons I have not moved up permanently is because I sacrificed alot of my bankroll to buy a house.
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Old 02-28-2016, 09:24 AM   #13740
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Or a crusher who keeps pulling money from his roll for whatever reason. Can you be a crusher with BRM issues?
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Old 02-28-2016, 09:32 AM   #13741
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I have a few 500hr breakeven stretches over 3-4k hours and its usually because I play bad and get cute with standard lines while making bad calls.

In regards to volume and win rate if you worked less than 32 hours a week on average in a year you would be considered a part time employee. If you follow that same logic, grinders with less than 1600 hours should consider themselves part time, while understanding the limitations of their sample size.
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Old 02-28-2016, 10:31 AM   #13742
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I have a few 500hr breakeven stretches over 3-4k hours and its usually because I play bad and get cute with standard lines while making bad calls.

In regards to volume and win rate if you worked less than 32 hours a week on average in a year you would be considered a part time employee. If you follow that same logic, grinders with less than 1600 hours should consider themselves part time, while understanding the limitations of their sample size.
It's adorable that you equate full time as the US's standard for full time, because no other countries have full time employees who work less than an average of 32 hours/week
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Old 02-28-2016, 01:22 PM   #13743
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I have a few 500hr breakeven stretches over 3-4k hours and its usually because I play bad and get cute with standard lines while making bad calls.

In regards to volume and win rate if you worked less than 32 hours a week on average in a year you would be considered a part time employee. If you follow that same logic, grinders with less than 1600 hours should consider themselves part time, while understanding the limitations of their sample size.
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Old 02-28-2016, 02:45 PM   #13744
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I have a few 500hr breakeven stretches over 3-4k hours and its usually because I play bad and get cute with standard lines while making bad calls.

In regards to volume and win rate if you worked less than 32 hours a week on average in a year you would be considered a part time employee. If you follow that same logic, grinders with less than 1600 hours should consider themselves part time, while understanding the limitations of their sample size.
So if you grind 8 more hours, you would be considered a much better player and get higher WR to cover for medical, 401k, PTO, and so forth?
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Old 02-28-2016, 02:52 PM   #13745
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Well I mean if you make $20 an hour the extra 400 hours amounts to 8k which maxes out an IRA contribution and probably covers most peoples health ins and then some
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Old 02-28-2016, 02:56 PM   #13746
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Makes sense...
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Old 02-28-2016, 04:50 PM   #13747
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So if you grind 8 more hours, you would be considered a much better player and get higher WR to cover for medical, 401k, PTO, and so forth?
Hello, what are you saying, I do not understand. Why would grinding eight more hours change your winrate?
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Old 02-28-2016, 04:59 PM   #13748
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Hello, what are you saying, I do not understand. Why would grinding eight more hours change your winrate?
It would not change your $/hr but would change what you net out per year/month/week
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Old 02-28-2016, 05:03 PM   #13749
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It would not change your $/hr but would change what you net out per year/month/week
I always go on heaters in my last 8 hrs of the week.
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It would not change your $/hr but would change what you net out per year/month/week
What does WR mean?
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