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Old 02-25-2016, 01:14 AM   #13626
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I honestly have no idea how DFS works, but I have tough time believing that poker boom could return.

Yeah my point was just about how much worse dfs is for the casual player than poker.
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Old 02-25-2016, 08:56 AM   #13627
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Yeah my point was just about how much worse dfs is for the casual player than poker.

And the thing with DFS is there is no opportunity cost to throw the same 100 lineups in a small buy in contest. Whereas a top poker player limited physically to x number of tables would typically not waste a table on a lowstakes game.
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Old 02-25-2016, 09:11 AM   #13628
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$60/hr over any kind of reasonable sample is ridiculous. Playing near perfectly can get you $30/hr I think. Maybe. I know $25/hr in my games is attainable. But who knows really? In my particular game somewhere between $20-30/hr is max. There is no $1/2 game running anywhere where $60/hr is anywhere close to realistic.

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Old 02-25-2016, 10:19 AM   #13629
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I am over 7000 hours...not sure if it's a brag.

3000 more hours until you're a certified expert!
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Old 02-25-2016, 10:21 AM   #13630
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Yeah my point was just about how much worse dfs is for the casual player than poker.
Frontline recently did a good bit on this:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zdspviDAV7E
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Old 02-25-2016, 11:20 AM   #13631
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Pretty sure wj94 is beating 1/2 for $50-60/hour.

I also said "my goal," not "my goal which entails 2000 hours per year."
So you're setting a w/r goal over an insignificant sample? That's the equivalent of saying my goal is to run hot
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Old 02-25-2016, 11:28 AM   #13632
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But my goal is to run hot!
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Old 02-25-2016, 11:29 AM   #13633
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Lolololololol @ 60/hr at 1/2. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Anyone who makes this claim is lying or delusional or both. Think about it, if you NEVER had a losing session and played 5hrs/session you would leave +300 a day. That's ludicrous. I would bet that not a single 1/2 grinder here could snapshot their BR tracker and show an avg winning session amount that is >$300 and that's probably with avg session length >5hrs and not including avg losing session.
I can show you this for my 1/2 and 1/3 stats combined over about 700 hours. I've played maybe 1300-1500 hours of 1/2 - 5/10 but my data only goes back for the last 700 hours when I started tracking each session religiously. No sessions are excluded since then.
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Old 02-25-2016, 11:33 AM   #13634
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Seven. Hundred. Hours. Is. Nothing.
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Old 02-25-2016, 12:15 PM   #13635
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But my goal is to run hot!

decent goal but it is really a level one kind of goal which shows your overall inexperience. As a grizzled vet my goal is to not only run hot but to cooler people as well. Keep at it kid - I see your game is improving.
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Old 02-25-2016, 12:23 PM   #13636
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To those of you claiming fantasy video game number winrates: your first 8-10 buy-in downswing will be humbling. When you reach 2-3k hours and it happens then you can join the rest of us miserable ****s living in reality.
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Old 02-25-2016, 12:30 PM   #13637
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To those of you claiming fantasy video game number winrates: your first 8-10 buy-in downswing will be humbling. When you reach 2-3k hours and it happens then you can join the rest of us miserable ****s living in reality.
has had one of those, but I've only played 1000 hrs of 1/2 so the 3k hr one will be epic.
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Old 02-25-2016, 12:36 PM   #13638
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your first 8-10 buy-in downswing will be humbling.
+1

In my first ~1800 hours @ 1/3 NL, I never officially recorded a 5 BI downswing.

In my next ~400 hours @ 1/3 NL, I booked two 10-8 BI downswings.

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Old 02-25-2016, 01:16 PM   #13639
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To those of you claiming fantasy video game number winrates: your first 8-10 buy-in downswing will be humbling. When you reach 2-3k hours and it happens then you can join the rest of us miserable ****s living in reality.
8-10 BIs counts as a bad downswing?

My worst downswings over 472 hours of 1|2 were 5.5 BIs, 7.5 BIs and 9.5 BIs. I've lost 3-4 BIs in single sessions several times. It seems like it easily could have been worse.

My wr over that period is $25.68 if that matters (just sneaking in a lame brag over an lolsmallsample)
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Old 02-25-2016, 01:21 PM   #13640
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8-10 BIs counts as a bad downswing?

My worst downswings over 472 hours of 1|2 were 5.5 BIs, 7.5 BIs and 9.5 BIs. I've lost 3-4 BIs in single sessions several times. It seems like it easily could have been worse.

My wr over that period is $25.68 if that matters (just sneaking in a lame brag over an lolsmallsample)
This. Just last night I was into the game for 1200 and on my last money for the night, ran my stack to 2k and cashed out. 8-10 buyins doesn't seem like much to worry about.

Obviously this is just anecdotal but its pretty normal over my last 700 hours, like 20% of my session are 4 fig swings.

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Old 02-25-2016, 01:29 PM   #13641
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This. Just last night I was into the game for 1200 and on my last money for the night, ran my stack to 2k and cashed out. 8-10 buyins doesn't seem like much to worry about.

Obviously this is just anecdotal but its pretty normal over my last 700 hours, like 30% of my session are 4 fig swings.
4 figure swings at 1/2 NL? My guess is that you play in a higher than 100bb BI game, or perhaps play a really laggy high variance style?

I just recently went on a stretch of 13 months (600ish hours) @ 1/3 NL where I didn't book a single 4 figure win and booked one 4 figure loss (only the second time I've ever booked a 4 figure loss).

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Old 02-25-2016, 01:34 PM   #13642
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I recall looking at dhcg's winrate brag chart and if you had removed two or three sessions from his log, he was practically breaking even.

People don't realize how variance can play a big role in WR.

Fact that someone is saying 4 figure swing is normal in his 700 hour experience and has crushing WR...I just laugh.
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Old 02-25-2016, 01:34 PM   #13643
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This. Just last night I was into the game for 1200 and on my last money for the night, ran my stack to 2k and cashed out. 8-10 buyins doesn't seem like much to worry about.

Obviously this is just anecdotal but its pretty normal over my last 700 hours, like 30% of my session are 4 fig swings.
This just goes to show how different swings are for different people with different styles. If you have swings like that, it makes sense that 700 hrs is nothing. For other people 300-500 hands will get them pretty close to their true win rate.

I have a tad under 500 hrs of $2/$5 live since I started playing regularly. I haven't won or lost more than 2 1/2 buy ins in any session. I've won 82% of all my sessions which may seem like Im leaving a lot of money on the table by playing weak tight or whatever, but my win rate is $55 / hr ( 11BBs / hr) so I dont think thats the case at all.

Of course there will be some bad losing streaks coming at some point, but I believe my playing style will keep my bad downswings to 5-7 buy ins where it seems like you play a much more volatile style that will cause much deeper downswings and bigger winning sessions as well.

In over a million hands online back in the day my biggest downswing was 8 buy ins.
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Old 02-25-2016, 01:37 PM   #13644
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It's so funny that people don't realize that they're running like god and think it's the norm.
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Old 02-25-2016, 01:41 PM   #13645
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I was just about to say:

It's funny how you can tell the people who have put in thousands of hours and experienced huge downswings from the people running god like over <1k hours.

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Old 02-25-2016, 01:44 PM   #13646
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It's so funny that people don't realize that they're running like god and think it's the norm.
I am God!
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Old 02-25-2016, 01:56 PM   #13647
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Like I said earlier, WR is determined by mostly these factors:

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WR is determined by bunch of factors:

-Size of pool
-Average BI
-Day of week
-Time of day
-Ability
And you can pretty much do some kind of scoring system (1 to 5 maybe) to figure out whether you have optimal condition to hit max WR.

If average number of games during your playing time is 2, then I would do -5 for player pool.

Avg BI is 40bb? Again, -5.

Day of week? I would probably weight this factor a bit less, so do your own calculation.

Time of day? Pretty big deal, but it is closely related to avg BI and player pool, so I would probably factor a bit less, too.

Skill? Everyone is the greatest poker player ever.
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Old 02-25-2016, 02:08 PM   #13648
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It's interesting how people only ever use the word "variance" when referring to running bad and act like since they are winning player that variance can't possibly be the source of their heater when they are crushing the game at their heater rate.

This is the same sort of mentality of the people who have a $2k+ session and go out and drastically change their spending habits as if this sort of thing is normal (because they are "crushers of the game") and it was just terrible "variance" keeping them from making what is supposed to be $500,000/yr.
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Old 02-25-2016, 02:11 PM   #13649
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Skill? Everyone is the greatest poker player ever.
I am not. I have used this analogy before:

I am like a bar band. I have never had a hit song. In fact I have never composed my my own song. Never sold out a stadium. Not rich, not famous, but I work my ass off day in and day out. I have a pretty decent play list...but I do not know all of the songs. The good news is I seldom butcher one too much
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Old 02-25-2016, 02:26 PM   #13650
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If I had to guess the people adamantly saying others dont know variance probably play a very very high variance style. Losing 4 buyins in a session at 1/2 seems freaking absurd especially because 1/2 players play very face up. If I had to guess, you are probably not b/fing enough and chalking too many hands up as "coolers" when in fact you just cant make the hard folds.
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