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Old 02-03-2016, 06:01 PM   #13176
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Old 02-03-2016, 06:06 PM   #13177
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Wrong forum.
I thought u of all people might say that.

I just spent the last 2 weeks reading this entire thread, and I wanted to ask what kinds of winrates the good KC players are achieving but I thought that would get flamed on. So I don't really think it is the wrong forum.
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Old 02-03-2016, 06:12 PM   #13178
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Old 02-03-2016, 06:18 PM   #13179
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So that is how u get 12k posts in 3 years? 2 posts in response to someone looking for insight and u have provided no substance...good work.
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Old 02-03-2016, 06:21 PM   #13180
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My answers can only be as good as the questions.
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Old 02-03-2016, 06:23 PM   #13181
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I thought u of all people might say that.

I just spent the last 2 weeks reading this entire thread, and I wanted to ask what kinds of winrates the good KC players are achieving but I thought that would get flamed on. So I don't really think it is the wrong forum.
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So that is how u get 12k posts in 3 years? 2 posts in response to someone looking for insight and u have provided no substance...good work.
I'd suggest posting in the KC sub-thread under 'Live Casino Poker' for better answers. TBH I don't think a ton of KC players post in this thread.
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Old 02-03-2016, 06:27 PM   #13182
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My answers can only be as good as the questions.
The questions aren't flawed...however if u are not in the KC market, any responses to my questions are extremely flawed.
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Old 02-03-2016, 06:28 PM   #13183
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I'd suggest posting in the KC sub-thread under 'Live Casino Poker' for better answers. TBH I don't think a ton of KC players post in this thread.
Thank u ...finally some substance.
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Old 02-03-2016, 06:28 PM   #13184
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The questions aren't flawed...however if u are not in the KC market, any responses to my questions are extremely flawed.


If the questions you pose aren't relevant to 99% of the posters in a thread, they're flawed.
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Old 02-03-2016, 06:32 PM   #13185
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I figured someone who has been posting since 2008 knows where brick and mortar forum is, so I simply said wrong forum.
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Old 02-03-2016, 06:37 PM   #13186
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Most 1/2 and a lot of 2/5 games play like a short stacked online game anyways... even if you buy in for 100bbs.
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Assuming a "correct" open of 3bb...

...standard open at live 1/2 is 5-8bb. This means a 100bb stack is effectively a 40-70bb stack.

At 2/5, standard open is 4-6bb, changing the 100bb buyin to 60-80bb.

IMO, if your standard BI is $300, then you're better off sitting at 2/5 instead of 1/2.
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Old 02-03-2016, 06:37 PM   #13187
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I figured someone who has been posting since 2008 knows where brick and mortar forum is, so I simply said wrong forum.
My curiosity was about winrates. I thought this was the bankroll and winrate thread. RP, I will say in the 130 something pages that I read of this thread, I saw value in a lot of what u said so thank u for ur contribution.
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Old 02-03-2016, 06:38 PM   #13188
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Old 02-03-2016, 06:57 PM   #13189
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Old 02-03-2016, 09:59 PM   #13190
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When I am in a pot, I am in it to win it.

I can push any percieved edge without worrying about tough decisions on later streets.

I can play top pair, top kicker like the nuts.

I can play AK way stronger than in a deep stack game. Queens and Jacks aren't trouble at all!

Pot comittment isn't an issue, it is a way of life.

Kill Phil style play.

Good practice for tournament shorstack play.

I used to prefer buying in a little short and 'earning my way' into a full buyin. But as of late I'm more comfortable with full buyin and topping off below 75-50 bb. People respect your bets more when you're full, and I don't like the feeling of 'confinement' I get when short.

Just gotta be careful calling big bets when you're covered.

But switching tables, games, card rooms when up big isn't a bad idea.
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Old 02-03-2016, 10:46 PM   #13191
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+1

Assuming a "correct" open of 3bb...

...standard open at live 1/2 is 5-8bb. This means a 100bb stack is effectively a 40-70bb stack.

At 2/5, standard open is 4-6bb, changing the 100bb buyin to 60-80bb.

IMO, if your standard BI is $300, then you're better off sitting at 2/5 instead of 1/2.

This gets compounded by the fact flops go 4+ ways.
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Old 02-03-2016, 10:54 PM   #13192
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Cbetting a "standard" amount must be much more profitable live than online.
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Old 02-04-2016, 01:58 AM   #13193
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I figured someone who has been posting since 2008 knows where brick and mortar forum is, so I simply said wrong forum.
You would think; but then, he's only posted 174 times in the 7 years & 5 months he's been a member. That pales in comparison to some of us who have averaged 342.72 posts per month over the last 36 months. Not all of us are on the sidelines as often as others, posting in 2+2, while we're in between bankrolls
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Old 02-04-2016, 03:57 AM   #13194
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Old 02-04-2016, 06:33 AM   #13195
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I thought u of all people might say that.



I just spent the last 2 weeks reading this entire thread, and I wanted to ask what kinds of winrates the good KC players are achieving but I thought that would get flamed on. So I don't really think it is the wrong forum.

1. No way you read the entire thread

2. Define 'good'

3. You don't think you should go to the home forum for your KC casino?
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Old 02-04-2016, 08:24 AM   #13196
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If the questions you pose are in this thread, they're flawed.
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Old 02-04-2016, 10:12 AM   #13197
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1. No way you read the entire thread

2. Define 'good'

3. You don't think you should go to the home forum for your KC casino?
1. I did...every post

2. "Good" was a bad choice of a word...I was just hoping to get some winrate ideas from the winning players in the KC area.

3.good point...the reason I picked this thread is because it is the one I have been reading for the last 2-3 weeks and i have read people commenting on specific casinos/markets so I was curious if anyone in the thread was from the KC area and could answer my question.

I just started playing live (100 hours or so) ...and I am just starting to read threads on live poker...in my ignorance I didn't even know a KC forum existed before my original post.
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Old 02-04-2016, 10:27 AM   #13198
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1. I did...every post

2. "Good" was a bad choice of a word...I was just hoping to get some winrate ideas from the winning players in the KC area.

3.good point...the reason I picked this thread is because it is the one I have been reading for the last 2-3 weeks and i have read people commenting on specific casinos/markets so I was curious if anyone in the thread was from the KC area and could answer my question.

I just started playing live (100 hours or so) ...and I am just starting to read threads on live poker...in my ignorance I didn't even know a KC forum existed before my original post.
Don't sweat it. I don't know why ppl have chips on their shoulders over this stuff. I get the point is to keep threads clean and on point, but what results is thread derailment like this over the last couple of pages.

Hopefully the KC thread has some answers for u
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Old 02-04-2016, 06:35 PM   #13199
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1. I did...every post



2. "Good" was a bad choice of a word...I was just hoping to get some winrate ideas from the winning players in the KC area.



3.good point...the reason I picked this thread is because it is the one I have been reading for the last 2-3 weeks and i have read people commenting on specific casinos/markets so I was curious if anyone in the thread was from the KC area and could answer my question.



I just started playing live (100 hours or so) ...and I am just starting to read threads on live poker...in my ignorance I didn't even know a KC forum existed before my original post.

I really think the winrate stuff can be distracting, particularly as a method of 'keeping score' to see how good you think you are, when you're just starting out. Unless you're a full time player logging 1600 hours plus a year, you're really never going to get too close to what your 'real' rate is and you can end up deluding yourself one way or the other.

I've had a 130 hour stretch of over 100 an hour and 200 hour break even or slight losing streaks. Poker is hard enough without constantly thinking about what you 'should' be winning and comparing it to others who may or may not be being truthful

Just concentrate on making good decisions, analysing your play after each session and getting into the discipline of thinking with structure during your hands and observing the table. Everything else will fall out of that
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