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Old 02-03-2016, 12:48 PM   #13151
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What do you guys do when you have two losing months in a row?
drink a little bit less while playing
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Old 02-03-2016, 12:52 PM   #13152
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drink a little bit less while playing
This is good advice. If you don't think losing streaks over 100-200 hours are likely then you're likely completely ignorant to the how winrates and bankrolls work. Or you're super good at poker.
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Old 02-03-2016, 01:31 PM   #13153
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I have something to admit. I play short!! I buy in for $100 at 1/2 NLHE.

My win rate since I started logging house is $26.88 Per hour ($93.76 STD), total of 240 Hours. Biggest single win was a measly $682, and the biggest single table loss was $300.

I hear all of the 2+2 Mafia lauding over the benefits of deep stack play. But, I love playing a very tight, splashy short stack game..

When short, I feel like i have a huge advantage over the loose passive regs at the local games. They always seem to be calling their draws with almost ZERO IO.

Am I leaving money on the table? Anyone else enjoy short?
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Old 02-03-2016, 01:34 PM   #13154
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Yah I definitely wouldn't want to half ass it. I'm planning to get in on one with a husband/wife that own a R/E company that I met through poker. More to see how the process works, what's involved, how long money is tied up, etc. and hopefully make a small profit on it. But the knowledge is more important.
My wife and I were buyers in 2009 when the market crashed. We have bought and held our properties, and enjoy being landlords.

Its not for everyone, but we don't have kids and enjoy collecting rent, fixing the houses, and trying to make our tenants happy.

The rates or return aren't what they were in 2009-2013, but there is still a nice income stream (+ capital gains) if you can get into the right home, and do a good job of placing the right tenant.

Flipping homes (to me at least) is like trading stocks. The only people making any money are the dealers and agents taking their percentage off the top.
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Old 02-03-2016, 01:51 PM   #13155
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I have something to admit. I play short!! I buy in for $100 at 1/2 NLHE.

My win rate since I started logging house is $26.88 Per hour ($93.76 STD), total of 240 Hours. Biggest single win was a measly $682, and the biggest single table loss was $300.

I hear all of the 2+2 Mafia lauding over the benefits of deep stack play. But, I love playing a very tight, splashy short stack game..

When short, I feel like i have a huge advantage over the loose passive regs at the local games. They always seem to be calling their draws with almost ZERO IO.

Am I leaving money on the table? Anyone else enjoy short?
If I recognize a donator, I'll buy in for an amount that will cover them.

If I don't recognize a a single player, I'll buy in for 100 BBs.

Most of the "2+2 Mafia" would probably do better by buying in shorter but it all depends on previous reads, dynamics, etc.

A lot on whether you should buy in bigger will depend on how good you and your opponents are post-flop. The bigger your edge, the more inclined you should be to buy in deeper.
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Old 02-03-2016, 01:55 PM   #13156
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I have something to admit. I play short!! I buy in for $100 at 1/2 NLHE.



My win rate since I started logging house is $26.88 Per hour ($93.76 STD), total of 240 Hours. Biggest single win was a measly $682, and the biggest single table loss was $300.



I hear all of the 2+2 Mafia lauding over the benefits of deep stack play. But, I love playing a very tight, splashy short stack game..



When short, I feel like i have a huge advantage over the loose passive regs at the local games. They always seem to be calling their draws with almost ZERO IO.



Am I leaving money on the table? Anyone else enjoy short?

Do you bounce after doubling through and rebuy short again or continue to play deep?
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Old 02-03-2016, 02:16 PM   #13157
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Do you bounce after doubling through and rebuy short again or continue to play deep?
I stay and try to adjust to deeper stacks. Typically I start thinking about bouncing to a new table or 2/5 when my stack starts approaching 500.

I am fairly risk adverse by nature, so I am more than happy to lock up a nice profit, even if it comes at the expense of a MONSTER day.
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Old 02-03-2016, 02:47 PM   #13158
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What is tight and splashy
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Old 02-03-2016, 02:52 PM   #13159
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What is tight and splashy
Wait and jam. No limping or other small ball calls. If you're in the pot you're in it for a stack. Probably.
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Old 02-03-2016, 03:02 PM   #13160
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Wait and jam. No limping or other small ball calls. If you're in the pot you're in it for a stack. Probably.
It has its merits. There is a reason why online has pro short stackers. It can be profitable. For a large majority of the poker playing population, it would be too boring. You outlined the basic way to play it correctly, which most people who short stack do the exact opposite.
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Old 02-03-2016, 03:23 PM   #13161
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What is tight and splashy
When I am in a pot, I am in it to win it.

I can push any percieved edge without worrying about tough decisions on later streets.

I can play top pair, top kicker like the nuts.

I can play AK way stronger than in a deep stack game. Queens and Jacks aren't trouble at all!

Pot comittment isn't an issue, it is a way of life.
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Old 02-03-2016, 03:30 PM   #13162
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I have something to admit. I play short!! I buy in for $100 at 1/2 NLHE.

My win rate since I started logging house is $26.88 Per hour ($93.76 STD), total of 240 Hours. Biggest single win was a measly $682, and the biggest single table loss was $300.

I hear all of the 2+2 Mafia lauding over the benefits of deep stack play. But, I love playing a very tight, splashy short stack game..

When short, I feel like i have a huge advantage over the loose passive regs at the local games. They always seem to be calling their draws with almost ZERO IO.

Am I leaving money on the table? Anyone else enjoy short?
Unless you're always cashing out after you hit 100bb, you're not really playing short much.

Starting short and permanently playing short are not the same.
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Old 02-03-2016, 03:31 PM   #13163
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Most of the "2+2 Mafia" would probably do better by buying in shorter but it all depends on previous reads, dynamics, etc.
Posting on 2+2 doesn't make you a winning player.
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Old 02-03-2016, 03:33 PM   #13164
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I am fairly risk adverse by nature, so I am more than happy to lock up a nice profit, even if it comes at the expense of a MONSTER day.
Most people don't understand risk and like the idea of "locking up a win."

Not saying you have a win cap, but if you do, you better have a loss cap, too.

If your win cap is 200bb, and you don't have a stop cap, for every -400bb session, you need minimum of 2 winning sessions just to come out even. Think about the long term consequence of such scenario.
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Old 02-03-2016, 03:35 PM   #13165
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Posting on 2+2 doesn't make you a winning player.
Now you tell me
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Old 02-03-2016, 03:36 PM   #13166
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Wait and jam. No limping or other small ball calls. If you're in the pot you're in it for a stack. Probably.
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It has its merits. There is a reason why online has pro short stackers. It can be profitable. For a large majority of the poker playing population, it would be too boring. You outlined the basic way to play it correctly, which most people who short stack do the exact opposite.
Works online because you can cash out and multi-table.

Can't do it in live.

Plus your pool probably has to be big enough for people not to start really hate on you.

People who do shady things always say that they don't mind the hatred, and I can see why they don't, but do YOU want to be one of these guys?
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Old 02-03-2016, 03:37 PM   #13167
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Very interesting. You hear so much about the advantages of deep stack but I wonder if it's overestimated at these stakes. As someone who doesn't quite have the bankroll for full buy-ins live, this makes me optimistic about buying in for less than max.

Any posts/books/strategy you found for starting short stack?
If you're a better player, deeper stack becomes an advantage.

If you're not, bigger the stack, bigger the risk.

All depends on where you sit on the spectrum.
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Old 02-03-2016, 03:41 PM   #13168
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When I am in a pot, I am in it to win it.

I can push any percieved edge without worrying about tough decisions on later streets.

I can play top pair, top kicker like the nuts.

I can play AK way stronger than in a deep stack game. Queens and Jacks aren't trouble at all!

Pot comittment isn't an issue, it is a way of life.
Good way to get started with a short BR, but pretty horrible way of playing for everyone else.

Plus here are few inherited problem of playing in such way:

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When I am in a pot, I am in it to win it.
Optimal poker isn't about winning every pot; it also requires making good folds. Can't do that with a short stack.

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I can push any percieved edge without worrying about tough decisions on later streets.
Most profitable streets are on turn and river, the two streets that you are avoiding/missing.

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I can play top pair, top kicker like the nuts.
Super high variance for obvious reasons.

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I can play AK way stronger than in a deep stack game. Queens and Jacks aren't trouble at all!
Goes back to the same notes above. You often play them "too strong" because of your stack size and mostly missing value against weaker hands.
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Old 02-03-2016, 03:47 PM   #13169
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Most 1/2 and a lot of 2/5 games play like a short stacked online game anyways... even if you buy in for 100bbs.
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Old 02-03-2016, 04:03 PM   #13170
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I don't think about grass on the other side.
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Old 02-03-2016, 04:07 PM   #13171
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Old 02-03-2016, 04:25 PM   #13172
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I suppose it speaks to my skill level, but I also enjoy the easy decision making that comes with a 100bb stack or facing opponents with less. Not a lot of tough decisions to make.

I don't play much online cash, but imagine that 100bb stack online plays more like a 200bb stack live considering live opens are usually 5x-8x at 1/2, while online it's closer to 3x.
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Old 02-03-2016, 04:30 PM   #13173
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I suppose it speaks to my skill level, but I also enjoy the easy decision making that comes with a 100bb stack or facing opponents with less. Not a lot of tough decisions to make.

I don't play much online cash, but imagine that 100bb stack online plays more like a 200bb stack live considering live opens are usually 5x-8x at 1/2, while online it's closer to 3x.
Not exactly, while preflop opens are on steroids compared to online, the later streets tend to have lower percentage of psb.

People live tend to feel "big" bets are based on dollar amount, not relation to the pot. You'll often see a bet of like $250 into a pot approaching $1000 and people will fold because $250 is a lot of money to them
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Old 02-03-2016, 04:34 PM   #13174
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True. Good points
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Old 02-03-2016, 05:54 PM   #13175
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