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View Poll Results: What is your Win Rate in terms of BB per Housr
Less than 0 (losing)
5 6.41%
0-2.5
0 0%
2.5-5
6 7.69%
5-7.5
8 10.26%
7.5-10
15 19.23%
10+
26 33.33%
Not enough sample size/I don't know
18 23.08%

01-30-2016 , 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard Parker
What suited fours said.

Getting mad in losing is kind of like getting mad that you missed the left turn light.
Standard.
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01-30-2016 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by zoltan
Standard.
I'm not always right, just ask my wife.
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01-30-2016 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by suited fours
I'm never right, just ask my wife.
fyp.
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01-30-2016 , 05:25 PM
Not always, even wife will agree with you once in a while.

#1outerftw
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01-30-2016 , 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by suited fours
I'm not always right, just ask my wife.

My wife thought she was wrong once but she was mistaken
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01-31-2016 , 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
My wife thought she was wrong once but she was mistaken
That's a nice little paradox
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01-31-2016 , 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by suited fours
"be really good" as in understanding that you only control your decisions. You decide, when to play, where to play, how to play.

"be really good" as in not letting results, particularly recent results, bother you emotionally, thereby hindering your decision making.
The Golden Rule I strive to practice every minute I'm playing.
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02-01-2016 , 06:16 AM


First month of playing 1/2 live for more than just a few sessions, ran stupidly hot to say the least
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02-01-2016 , 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by McSkinny


First month of playing 1/2 live for more than just a few sessions, ran stupidly hot to say the least
Wrong forum brother! 'Beats, Brags & Variance' forum is that way > http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54...rags-variance/
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02-01-2016 , 09:47 AM
Had a pretty solid month to start the year as far as volume & shot-taking go:

January 2016 stats:
1/2: 13 sessions, 80h 5m, +$2,005, $25.04/hr
2/5: 2 sessions, 8h 20m, +$925, $111/hr
Total: 15 sessions, 88h 25m, +$2,930, $33.14/hr

I hit almost 90 hours while working full time (~50 hours a week) and with only 2 weekend sessions (spend most weekends with the girlfriend). And while I am really happy with the volume, I think I may have overdone it at some times and forced some sessions on not a lot of sleep where I played pretty terribly and turned what should have been a small loss into a big loss.

So next month while I want to keep the volume up, I think I may need to cut back a bit in favor of more consistently playing my A game and getting more sleep than I did last month. I will also be focusing a lot more on table selection, especially when taking my 2/5 shots.
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02-01-2016 , 10:02 AM
Good month Dizzy. Were your 2/5 sessions on the weekend? Saturday and Tuesday are probably the best nights for 2/5 at your room.
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02-01-2016 , 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
My wife thought she was wrong once but she was mistaken
Lapidatrix says, "I'd agree with u, but then we'd both be wrong."
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02-01-2016 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz
Good month Dizzy. Were your 2/5 sessions on the weekend? Saturday and Tuesday are probably the best nights for 2/5 at your room.
Thanks man, I appreciate it.

One was on a Monday, where I noticed a super soft table that was deep and had an open seat, I ran reaaallyyyy good and made +$1,805 in just over two hours.

The other was a Tuesday at a much tougher & less deep table where I definitely should have looked to table change or just gone back to 1/2 (or gone to bed..). Instead I tried to force the session and was pretty card dead and played pretty bad in some spots and lost -$880.

Going to be looking for more spots like session 1 to take my shots and not like session 2 in upcoming months.
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02-01-2016 , 10:23 AM
I'll risk doomswitchaments to share January results:

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02-01-2016 , 10:28 AM
It's my understanding that January is historically a good month for skilled players.

Since using a session logger starting February 8, 2015 [nothing but 1/2NL]

Meaningless Stats:

Last week: $45.96 pr hr - $1752.00 38.12 hours
Last month: $28.23 pr hr - $3977.00 140.88 hours
Last 2 months: $24.47 pr hr - $5974.00 244.11 hours

Oct 1, 2015 - Jan 31, 2016 -$19.93 pr hr - 528.7 hours

Meaningful Stats:

February 8, 2015 - January 31, 2016 - $14.02 pr hr - 1371.3 hours

Feb 2015: -$762.00 98.83 hours -$7.71 pr hour loss
Mar 2015 - $13.16 pr hr - $1520.00 - 115.47 hours
Apr 2015 - $12.00 pr hr - $1525.00 - 106.12 hours
May 2015- $09.51 pr hr - $1009.00 - 106.12 hours

At this point I seriously considered going back to work p/t. However, I can now attest to the fact that my discipline was not nearly as good as it is today. I thought it was good......but I know better now.

Jun 2015 - $20.15 pr hr - $1853.00 - 91.96 hours
Jul 2015 - $19.65 pr hr - $2164.00 - 110.14 hours

Sweet! Broke the $20 pr hr ceiling & on my way!

Aug2015- $12.74 pr hr - $1427.00 111.98 hours

Oops!

Sep 2015 - -$0.51 pr hr - -$38.00 74.46 hours
Oct 2015 - $17.87 pr hr - $2517.00 140.85 hours
Nov 2015 - $13.52 pr hr - $2031.00 150.27 hours

What a roller coaster ride!

Dec 2015 - $19.34 pr hr - $1997.00 103.23 hours
Jan 2016 - $28.23 pr hr - $3977.00 140.88 hours
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02-01-2016 , 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by McSkinny


First month of playing 1/2 live for more than just a few sessions, ran stupidly hot to say the least
Awesome! What software are you using here?
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02-01-2016 , 10:38 AM
Does anyone have enough hours tracked separately to really know if playing at nights and weekends is really all that more profitable? I play almost exclusively during the daytime with lots of regulars. I can play some evening hours if its really that much more profitable.

What I do know about playing during the day is that its pretty easy to know where you are in a hand with these old guys. If I have AK and bet a K76 flop, and anyone over 65 calls me they have KQ or TT. If they raise they have 76 , 77 or 66. It makes for low stress game but still profitable because they also fold way too much and dont even know what a LAG is.
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02-01-2016 , 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ZuneIt
It's my understanding that January is historically a good month for skilled players.

Since using a session logger starting February 8, 2015 [nothing but 1/2NL]

Meaningless Stats:

Last week: $45.96 pr hr - $1752.00 38.12 hours
Last month: $28.23 pr hr - $3977.00 140.88 hours
Last 2 months: $24.47 pr hr - $5974.00 244.11 hours

Oct 1, 2015 - Jan 31, 2016 -$19.93 pr hr - 528.7 hours

Meaningful Stats:

February 8, 2015 - January 31, 2016 - $14.02 pr hr - 1371.3 hours

Feb 2015: -$762.00 98.83 hours -$7.71 pr hour loss
Mar 2015 - $13.16 pr hr - $1520.00 - 115.47 hours
Apr 2015 - $12.00 pr hr - $1525.00 - 106.12 hours
May 2015- $09.51 pr hr - $1009.00 - 106.12 hours

At this point I seriously considered going back to work p/t. However, I can now attest to the fact that my discipline was not nearly as good as it is today. I thought it was good......but I know better now.

Jun 2015 - $20.15 pr hr - $1853.00 - 91.96 hours
Jul 2015 - $19.65 pr hr - $2164.00 - 110.14 hours

Sweet! Broke the $20 pr hr ceiling & on my way!

Aug2015- $12.74 pr hr - $1427.00 111.98 hours

Oops!

Sep 2015 - -$0.51 pr hr - -$38.00 74.46 hours
Oct 2015 - $17.87 pr hr - $2517.00 140.85 hours
Nov 2015 - $13.52 pr hr - $2031.00 150.27 hours

What a roller coaster ride!

Dec 2015 - $19.34 pr hr - $1997.00 103.23 hours
Jan 2016 - $28.23 pr hr - $3977.00 140.88 hours
Why are you still playing 1/2?
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02-01-2016 , 11:17 AM
I was kinda wishing January would never end. I bested my highest volume month of 2015 by 20 hours (111 hours in January 2016 vs. 91 in May 2015) and destroyed my 2015 average of 70 hours per month. Predictably, I have begun to totally mail it in at work as I become more disenfranchised and plotting my rapidly approaching departure.

January
Profit: $14,150
Hours: 111.2
Hourly: $127.2
Sessions Won: 14/18 (78%)

Biggest Win: $3,500
Biggest Loss: ($1,700)
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02-01-2016 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz
I was kinda wishing January would never end. I bested my highest volume month of 2015 by 20 hours (111 hours in January 2016 vs. 91 in May 2015) and destroyed my 2015 average of 70 hours per month. Predictably, I have begun to totally mail it in at work as I become more disenfranchised and plotting my rapidly approaching departure.

January
Profit: $14,150
Hours: 111.2
Hourly: $127.2
Sessions Won: 14/18 (78%)

Biggest Win: $3,500
Biggest Loss: ($1,700)
Crushing it man - sick month. Hopefully I can be where you are at in due time. Definitely need to get myself playing 2/5 full time.
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02-01-2016 , 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
Does anyone have enough hours tracked separately to really know if playing at nights and weekends is really all that more profitable? I play almost exclusively during the daytime with lots of regulars. I can play some evening hours if its really that much more profitable.

What I do know about playing during the day is that its pretty easy to know where you are in a hand with these old guys. If I have AK and bet a K76 flop, and anyone over 65 calls me they have KQ or TT. If they raise they have 76 , 77 or 66. It makes for low stress game but still profitable because they also fold way too much and dont even know what a LAG is.
It's hard to get stats like that Especially taking into account day of the week.

We can make some judgements based on our observations of the players and hands rather than the pure resulting statistics though.

Yes, at a day game with lots of regs/rocks/nits, who play very predictably, we can play a nice straightforward (autopilot) strategy and print money at a nice trickle.

But it's pretty obvious from a half hour's observation that evening games with drunken gamblers have much higher potential. Last night I saw a guy 4-bet shove preflop with T9o for only about $25 more than the 3-bet. I've seen evening games with $100+ straddles, blind shove, and other insanity. Not to mention the standard "bet every street because it's fun" types. Those kinds of games are a little more difficult to navigate, and have the potential for busting you for a couple of buy-ins if the boards aren't running out your way, but you can easily put in a +$100/hr night.

Your real profitability will depend on how well you adjust to the vastly different table conditions. I know some guys that just can't open up enough in the crazy games and just nit it out, but then never get action. Or guys that tilt in those spots and blow buy-in's they shouldn't have.
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02-01-2016 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ZuneIt
Wrong forum brother! 'Beats, Brags & Variance' forum is that way > http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54...rags-variance/
How is my post not applicable?
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02-01-2016 , 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by OhNoHeDi'int
Awesome! What software are you using here?
Thanks! Im just using excel
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02-01-2016 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
[? to ZuneIt] Why are you still playing 1/2?
For several reasons. One is bankroll. Although I only use my winnings for my own personal expenses [which includes clothes, gym membership & golf], we splurged on Christmas [Almost $250 on 2 dogs was the small price tag] & the 'splurging' came from my bankroll. So, right now I'm sitting on just over 14k.

Sounds like a lot, however, squid face has stated that he once went on a downswing of 7.5k. Now, although he admitted that it was the worse downswing he or his friends had had up to that point, and he had to contribute some of it to bad decisions - he is a pro. So, I need more than 2x 7.5k as far as I'm concerned.

Poker is nothing but enjoyment & absolutely exciting when you have nothing to worry about monetarily!
Except when you go on a one or two month downswing of course. But then you get to practice discipline.

I feel sorry for those players in 1/2 games, who buy-in for $200 & bleed down to $100 & then lose when they're ahead - lose their temper & leave. They leave because they don't have anymore money. It was their 2nd or 3rd buy-in.

When I started out in July 2014 with 2k, Garick & I got into a few discussions about chasing small edges, which he firmly believes in. I argued that there are way too many large edges in 1/2 to be concerned about the small edges. That is not true. However, I did not have the bankroll to chase small edges, nor the skill set in 2014 needed to accurately assess my edge.

Once I built my bankroll up to 4.5k in 2014, I went on an ~1.2k downswing. I questioned my ability, talked to 2 of my decade+ long friends & buried myself in this forum. Mostly reading.

Anyways, based upon my current rating of my ability to determine my edge in a hand at my current skill set, I give myself a 6% margin of error. So, if I believe I have a 10% edge, I'll call without hesitation, because even if I'm wrong, I should [I believe] still have a 4% edge.

I can do that because my bankroll is so large I need not worry about being wrong. Lesson learned at a relatively low price tag. Not so at 2/5. At 2/5, players will try & bully you out of pots with $300+ bets ott. That's a lot of money.

However, because of this built in margin of error I am requiring myself, I'm still missing out on a lot because I should be continuing on hands that I'm not.

Finally, I'm not aggressive enough yet. That was proven in my PAHWM 98s thread. I need to become more accustomed to playing aggressively with draws than I currently am. Couple that with the fact that I know I need improvement on putting players on a range & it's obvious I'm not ready.

I buy-in to 1/2 for $300 & keep it close to $300 every time the button comes around. Sooner if I'm down to $225.00. Imagine buyin' in for $500 in a 2/5 & toppin' off on a regular basis. I have been stuck in a 1/2 game for $875, with only $275 in front of me. That was over only a ~4hr period. All because I had a 55+% edge otf or ott & lost. When you lose to a 4/5/6/ or 7 outter going into the river, it's not hard to find yourself buried, deep, real quick. I considered myself lucky to go home stuck only ~$250.00. Compute that a 2/5 level.

I don't remember where I read it 1st, or who originated the quote "The more I learned about NL Hold 'Em, the more I realized how much I didn't know," however, I believe that you can't find a more accurate quote about the game for those of us learning.

I can contribute 50% of my win rate over the last 3 months to an improvement in my skill set. Maybe a little more. However, I would be a fool to believe that I am now a $20+pr hr long-term crusher.

Last edited by ZuneIt; 02-01-2016 at 01:03 PM.
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02-01-2016 , 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by VolumeKing
GTO is a method to play unexploitably. It is not a way to maximize your winrate. It is more widely used to reduce ones losses when playing versus a superior player.

There is almost no reason to play GTO in live poker below 10/25
would argue that trying to play GTO at 10/25 (most lineups) is a waste too

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Originally Posted by squid face
mike - I am currently losing 2.5k in my last 140 hours.

I spent the prior 8k+ hours winning at a very high clip. Does that mean that I have gotten significantly worse at poker?

What it means is in small samples there is a LOT of noise...that noise does not quiet down until you hit a reasonable number of hours. Many think that number is north of 1,000 when it comes to live poker
pretty sure spending $2.5k on hookers and blow have nothing to do with your poker WR

also life +ev
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