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Old 01-22-2016, 05:19 PM   #12926
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Actually, I meant that some rooms require moving whole stack.
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And some rooms don't let you move if you're above 1.5 BI.
You learn something new everyday... Thanks guys!
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Old 01-22-2016, 05:51 PM   #12927
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It sounds like you dont have a lot of confidence but I would say that you've gotten much better since last year.
mike - I am currently losing 2.5k in my last 140 hours.

I spent the prior 8k+ hours winning at a very high clip. Does that mean that I have gotten significantly worse at poker?

What it means is in small samples there is a LOT of noise...that noise does not quiet down until you hit a reasonable number of hours. Many think that number is north of 1,000 when it comes to live poker
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Old 01-22-2016, 06:40 PM   #12928
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Maybe you were on an 8k hour heater.
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Old 01-22-2016, 06:41 PM   #12929
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I just think any table change is because of me.

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Old 01-22-2016, 07:10 PM   #12930
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mike - I am currently losing 2.5k in my last 140 hours.

I spent the prior 8k+ hours winning at a very high clip. Does that mean that I have gotten significantly worse at poker?

What it means is in small samples there is a LOT of noise...that noise does not quiet down until you hit a reasonable number of hours. Many think that number is north of 1,000 when it comes to live poker
Heh, in my last 23 hours I'm down about $1k at $1/2.

Nice little stretch of ****ty cards and everything missing when I raised or called, with only a couple of big hands: one big set under set for $300/each, AA < AQ on a Q high dry board for $300/each, JJ < K2 where he tilt-shoved preflop for $100, handful of other $200 pots that went the wrong way from ahead. Wouldn't change the way I played any of that.

From my own data it looks like 500 hours is enough to get rid of most of the noise in WR, while still being able to see trends over time, like being worse when I first started, and a noticeable improvement when I started getting into splashy home games. As it is it's a larger chunk of a year to get 500 hours, so any larger sample you might be able to get from playing live is going to be over such a long time period that the game conditions may not even be comparable from the start to the end .
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Old 01-22-2016, 07:10 PM   #12931
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mike - I am currently losing 2.5k in my last 140 hours.

I spent the prior 8k+ hours winning at a very high clip. Does that mean that I have gotten significantly worse at poker?

What it means is in small samples there is a LOT of noise...that noise does not quiet down until you hit a reasonable number of hours. Many think that number is north of 1,000 when it comes to live poker
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Old 01-22-2016, 07:26 PM   #12932
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mike - I am currently losing 2.5k in my last 140 hours.

I spent the prior 8k+ hours winning at a very high clip. Does that mean that I have gotten significantly worse at poker?

What it means is in small samples there is a LOT of noise...that noise does not quiet down until you hit a reasonable number of hours. Many think that number is north of 1,000 when it comes to live poker
aren't you a pro? how come you're not busto if you're down 2.5k?

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Old 01-22-2016, 07:28 PM   #12933
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Thanks Mike! However, trust me! 205 hours is a 'drop in the bucket.' And to those wanting to swing their dicks with their win rates: I only track mine for my own measurement of my improvement. However crude a measurement it may be, it's the only way I know how to measure it with numbers. I can say, after reviewing hands after a session, that I didn't make nearly the mistakes I use to in the past. I can say I played X# of hands much better than in the past - however, it still boils down to: how does that compute to the improvement in my bottom line.
Well, if you review your hands and realize you didnt make nearly the mistakes you made in the past then you've gotten better, right?
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Old 01-22-2016, 07:35 PM   #12934
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Mistakes are usually measured by result, so who knows.
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Old 01-22-2016, 08:46 PM   #12935
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mike - I am currently losing 2.5k in my last 140 hours.

I spent the prior 8k+ hours winning at a very high clip. Does that mean that I have gotten significantly worse at poker?

What it means is in small samples there is a LOT of noise...that noise does not quiet down until you hit a reasonable number of hours. Many think that number is north of 1,000 when it comes to live poker
means you're a fish obv.
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Old 01-22-2016, 08:47 PM   #12936
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Old 01-22-2016, 09:56 PM   #12937
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1) Is there a B/R # to shottake?

2) Is there w/r over # of hours to shottake?

3) How many buyins to shottake?

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I like to 'freeroll' shottake.

Play your usual 1-2 game till you have a really good night, and have made enough for 1.5-2 buyins at the higher stakes, and you're not too burnt out, and you can find a promising 2-5 table to get into.

Had one of my best nights buying into a 1-2 game for $60, hitting a holiday high hand for $550, and moving to a 2-5 table with a $350 buyin. Walked away 4 hours later with approx. $1800 (merry xmas).
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Old 01-22-2016, 09:59 PM   #12938
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I like to 'freeroll' shottake.



Play your usual 1-2 game till you have a really good night, and have made enough for 1.5-2 buyins at the higher stakes, and you're not too burnt out, and you can find a promising 2-5 table to get into.



Had one of my best nights buying into a 1-2 game for $60, hitting a holiday high hand for $550, and moving to a 2-5 table with a $350 buyin. Walked away 4 hours later with approx. $1800 (merry xmas).

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Old 01-22-2016, 10:22 PM   #12939
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Dgi student?
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Old 01-22-2016, 10:25 PM   #12940
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FL tho
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Old 01-22-2016, 11:01 PM   #12941
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I like to 'freeroll' shottake.
... That is not a freeroll
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Old 01-22-2016, 11:05 PM   #12942
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*insert olive investment analogy
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Old 01-22-2016, 11:19 PM   #12943
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... That is not a freeroll
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Old 01-23-2016, 12:50 AM   #12944
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For all ya'll that play 1-2, what is a proper BR iyo?
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Old 01-23-2016, 01:11 AM   #12945
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For all ya'll that play 1-2, what is a proper BR iyo?
It depends. The more the better.

Do you have a job? Are you playing for an income? Side income?
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Old 01-23-2016, 01:36 AM   #12946
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... That is not a freeroll
Ok then...how about 'earning your way' into a bigger game.
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Old 01-23-2016, 01:44 AM   #12947
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For all ya'll that play 1-2, what is a proper BR iyo?
If Poker's the only income, 50 buy-ins plus 6 months living expenses.

If you have a job, play whenever you have a couple of buyins.
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Old 01-23-2016, 02:26 AM   #12948
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If a player on a short bankroll goes on a heater such that a decent percentage of their bankroll is on table, that would be the time to lock in the win instead of paying as scared money.
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Agreed
What do you define 'heater' as?

What if you notice that the red deck has flopped two 7s the last 4 times it has been used. If you are dealt, say 97o UTG the 5th time it's used, as you going to play it, since the DeckMate is on a 'heater' of dealin' out two 7s on the flop with that deck?
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Old 01-23-2016, 02:38 AM   #12949
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Depends if you're partial to Bayesian probability.
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Old 01-23-2016, 02:46 AM   #12950
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If you set up a differential equation for it, you'd be able to figure out if you should call or fold
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