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[OFFICIAL] Winrates, bankrolls, and finances

View Poll Results: What is your Win Rate in terms of BB per Housr

Less than 0 (losing)

5 6.41%

0-2.5

0 0%

2.5-5

6 7.69%

5-7.5

8 10.26%

7.5-10

15 19.23%

10+

26 33.33%

Not enough sample size/I don't know

18 23.08%

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01-21-2016 , 03:04 AM

#12851

eldiesel

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,585

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Originally Posted by Richard Parker

Again, what?

My best advice is to get an SAT prep book if you keep reading things and not understanding them.

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Originally Posted by Richard Parker

That's fine if you want to label 56:44 or 1.27:1 as big edge.

You're allowed to give your definition of a big edge, small edge, fat value hand, thin value hand, etc. You don't know what they mean but you do know everyone else is wrong, that's the best you can come up with?

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Originally Posted by Richard Parker

53:47 or 1.11:1 is marginal and 56:44 or 1.27:1 is big edge.

Feel free to think for yourself and offer where the odds cross from marginal to big.

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Originally Posted by Richard Parker

TWhat guy, which guy?
Who's you? How is forgoing marginal spots mean that person is going broke?

Ask bip, he said it.

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Originally Posted by bip!

Players who keep passing on +EV spots for risk reasons keep that ship sinking slowly.

And BGP already said, regarding andees comment, that if I'm responding to a metaphor I'm a liar and making massive assumptions, so just come up with something new when you're thinking of a comeback to this.

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01-21-2016 , 03:35 AM

#12852

Richard Parker

banned

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 13,949

And I thought I was being kind to actually respond to your non-sense.

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01-21-2016 , 06:17 AM

#12853

eldiesel

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,585

Never feel that it's necessary to post. If we wanted strategy advice that was free but insane we could all watch games that Andy Reid or Jim Caldwell have coached.

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01-21-2016 , 10:34 AM

#12854

mikko

veteran

Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 2,863

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Parker

Again, what?

That's fine if you want to label 56:44 or 1.27:1 as big edge.

QQ vs AK is big edge and folding QQ is an example of a marginal spot that's wrong?

Que?

53:47 or 1.11:1 is marginal and 56:44 or 1.27:1 is big edge.

Ok...

Ok, so you're looking out for the new guys.

What guy, which guy?

Who's you? How is forgoing marginal spots mean that person is going broke?

I mean dang...what are you talking about?

Answering a post with 7 questions is a determine to the thread (although this thread is of little value to begin with).

Ducy?

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Originally Posted by eldiesel

The QQ vs AK aipf is a big edge, folding the QQ was the example of a marginal spot and that's wrong, 33 vs AK is a marginal spot.

Regardless, if you truly believe this, or are trolling RP. Stop taking the bait. Not helping your cause. Definitely not a savior to beginner players with statements like the above

Let this thread go back to newbie WR questions.

So I am losing 26BB/Hr over last 50ish hours of play (@1/2). Is this sustainable? Would this rank me in top 10% of losers?

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01-21-2016 , 03:18 PM

#12855

feel wrath

The Situation

Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 29,846

Detriment

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01-21-2016 , 03:57 PM

#12856

mikko

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Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 2,863

Quote:

Originally Posted by feel wrath

Detriment

Obviously spelt it wrong. Auto correct didn't do me any favors. My writing skills are equal to a 3rd grader. I am aware of this. Luckily my job is math and labor based.

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01-21-2016 , 05:49 PM

#12857

tellypl

adept

Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 939

Friends. I am currently "beating" 1/2 at a rate of ~4bb/hr over 250 hours. (tiny sample) I am aware that 1k hours will be much more reliable. I am looking to take shots at 2/5 in the near future. Of course my w/r is not very reliable, but it's all we have to work with right now. Current roll is ~4k. I do not feel as if I am a fish on a superheater but I guess that doesn't mean much to you guys.

Questions:

1) Is there a B/R # to shottake?

2) Is there w/r over # of hours to shottake?

3) How many buyins to shottake?

Any 1 of the 3?

Thank you friends.

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01-21-2016 , 06:23 PM

#12858

johnnyBuz

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 7,563

Stick with 1/2

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01-21-2016 , 06:27 PM

#12859

andees10

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Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 3,281

Quote:

Originally Posted by tellypl

Whatever you have in excess of being comfortably rolled at your current stakes you can use for a "shot". If it doesn't work out you can move back down no harm done

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01-21-2016 , 06:39 PM

#12860

bwslim69

I'm a Diva, Bruh

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 24,927

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Originally Posted by andees10

Whatever you have in excess of being comfortably rolled at your current stakes you can use for a "shot". If it doesn't work out you can move back down no harm done

Just stick to making olive poasts IMO

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01-21-2016 , 06:44 PM

#12861

mikko

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tellypl

Take a shot with what ever your comfortable losing.

2k or 10 buyins for 1/2, should be enough for rec player with a job. (For winner)

So taking 1 or 2 shots at 2/5, would be alright for most winning players. Leaving yourself 3k+ to rebuild.

250 hours seems like eternity. In reality it is 7,500 hands. It is a start.

Good luck

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01-21-2016 , 06:48 PM

#12862

johnny_on_the_spot

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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz

Stick with 1/2

+1

I don't understand why every person who has a positive win rate over a small sample wants to move up despite being under rolled for the stakes they want to go to

Double that 4k and then start shot taking if you're winning at a good clip, 2/5 ain't going anywhere

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01-21-2016 , 06:56 PM

#12863

mikko

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Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot

Because, 90% of players play for recreation.

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01-21-2016 , 07:16 PM

#12864

tellypl

adept

Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 939

Thank you friends. Obv I'm not looking to do this with a 4k roll and the sample is tiny (I said that) but I was trying to lay out the info I had and is also why I asked the three questions. I will not be doing it super soon and I appreciate your honest insight.

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01-21-2016 , 07:54 PM

#12865

MikeStarr

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Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 7,962

I realize I will get crucified for saying this because anyone with a different opinion might as well be a leper. A solid winning player does not need 20 buyins when playing live. The players are just way too bad for a solid winning player to have anywhere near a 10-15 buy-in downswing. If you have 10 buy in downswings more than once in a blue moon playing live, you arent as good as you think.

PS...a 4BB / hr player isnt what I would call a solid winning player.

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01-21-2016 , 07:58 PM

#12866

Richard Parker

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It sounds like that discussion a few weeks back that crushers don't need a big BR...

It's one thing to say that crushers, because of whatever reason, may not need a BR to start playing again, but it's another to imply that you don't need a big BR because big swings should be rare in LLSNL.

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01-21-2016 , 08:02 PM

#12867

Gatsb

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 1,294

MikeStarr cashin checks and takin names itt.

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01-21-2016 , 08:06 PM

#12868

bwslim69

I'm a Diva, Bruh

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 24,927

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Originally Posted by Gatsb

MikeStarr cashin checks and takin names itt.

Think he was looking at you whilst typing bruh.

Jus sayin

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01-21-2016 , 08:28 PM

#12869

Angrist

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Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 3,887

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeStarr

A solid winning player does not need 20 buyins when playing live. The players are just way too bad for a solid winning player to have anywhere near a 10-15 buy-in downswing. If you have 10 buy in downswings more than once in a blue moon playing live, you arent as good as you think.

Well, you don't need "more than once in a blue moon", you only need *one* downswing to bust a small roll. Or a couple of 3-4 BI swings. It's also really easy for most players to turn a 7 BI swing into a 10+ BI swing if they get tilty.

If we're talking $4k for a $200 max buy $1/2 game he might be able to get away with $2k ... but it's a lot harder walking into the casino with your last $600 in your pocket instead of $1k with another $1.6k at home.

But if it's a $300 cap, he needs more. His $4k is only 13 BI. Assuming that we want to play poker with "poker money" that we can't readily replenish you really don't want to go too much lower than that.

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01-21-2016 , 08:49 PM

#12870

MikeStarr

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I shouldve mentioned that Im not talking about someone playing for a living. I was talking about players who play for extra income after work.

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01-21-2016 , 08:54 PM

#12871

Richard Parker

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Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 13,949

If you have a job with steady income and a crusher, you may not even need a BR.

It becomes a slippery slope argument.

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01-21-2016 , 08:54 PM

#12872

suited fours

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Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 4,143

Quote:

Originally Posted by tellypl

Good answers to your questions depend on your situation and your goals. Things such as, why do you play (fun, gambol, income), is your bankroll separate, how would you feel about replenishing your bankroll from regular funds, do you wish to draw income from your bankroll. Those are the questions off the top of my head, anyway. Your results suggest that thinking about the next level may be premature, but it depends.

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01-21-2016 , 08:58 PM

#12873

andees10

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Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 3,281

Quote:

Originally Posted by bwslim69

Just stick to making olive poasts IMO

Nits ITT

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01-21-2016 , 09:01 PM

#12874

zoltan

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Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 21,490

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Originally Posted by mikko

Obviously spelt it wrong. Auto correct didn't do me any favors. My writing skills are equal to a 3rd grader. I am aware of this. Luckily my job is math and labor based.

Boiling oat runner?