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Old 12-17-2015, 04:33 PM   #12176
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I disagree. That number is achievable.

$500 max makes the game very attractive.
Really? I have played 6000 hours live and have gotten 250bb in exactly once. I've gotten 200bb in maybe half a dozen times. I've gotten 150bb in more times than I could possibly keep track of. That seems to be the sweet spot in my game. (Of course, that is the max buy in, too, so...). I have a hard time wrapping my head around the idea of a game in which having 250bb on the table would matter.
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Old 12-17-2015, 04:44 PM   #12177
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Oh sorry, I read that wrong.

I thought it was WR.

FWIW, bb doesn't matter to our opponents, dollar amount does.

If average BI is $300+ in the game, winning at that WR doesn't seem all that difficult to me.
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Old 12-17-2015, 05:16 PM   #12178
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The only thing I did once was to not update my phone for a few weeks because I felt seeing red was affecting me.
And this.

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It's been almost six months. I have lost track of my profits/losses over that period. I know I started off well. I was up probably $4,500 in the first six weeks and thought, 'Damn, this is easy.'
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Old 12-17-2015, 07:18 PM   #12179
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The only thing I did once was to not update my phone for a few weeks because I felt seeing red was affecting me.

After it had turned around a little I went back and entered all the info to catch back up.

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Ditto! However, on my session logger, when you close out a session & it records results, it doesn't take you to the session list that shows 5 out of 7 sessions being a loss. Also the screen it shows when you go to start a new session, shows the dates of the last 5 sessions, but not the results.

The secret, I find, to not having to even think about deleting, or altering my true results, is not give specifics to friends when they ask how your runnin' this month........... "I may have to eat tuna helper 4 days a week next month" is the kinda' answer I give. Or just "I've been bleedin' a lot more this month than usual." Or."Minimum wage at Wal-Mart is lookin' kinda' good right now." It's not any of their business anyways.

Anyways, I try not to even look at the WR during the month. If I'm doin' real good & know my WR on the 20th is double the average over the last 9 months, I found myself thinkin' about how nice it would be to close out the month with that rate & it seeps into my thought process during the session. So I had to do something to eliminate that.
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Old 12-18-2015, 01:33 AM   #12180
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Don't think so, but possible. Miller's strat in the Vegas games is to basically hit the nuts and get paid, or take a ton of pots away from Vegas nits when they cap their ranges. I can see how this range is in line with that general strat. Again, Vegas is special.
I get the feeling that 'The Course' was a response to the brain-dead reviews his previous books got.

Smart business sense at least.
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Old 12-18-2015, 11:15 AM   #12181
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Really? I have played 6000 hours live and have gotten 250bb in exactly once. I've gotten 200bb in maybe half a dozen times. I've gotten 150bb in more times than I could possibly keep track of. That seems to be the sweet spot in my game. (Of course, that is the max buy in, too, so...). I have a hard time wrapping my head around the idea of a game in which having 250bb on the table would matter.
I would guess Parx 2-5 winning players ($1000 max, lots of people buy in for the max) get 200bb in WAY more frequently than once per 1000 hours. I haven't played that game enough to put a firm number on it, but I'd think 1 per 1000 not even close.

Higher max buyin games often come with higher mins. 1-2 with $100-$500 is going to have many more 100bb+ stacks than 1-2 with $60-$200. At $60-$200 you've got to table select like crazy and in some venues, there may not be a decent game in the room.

Also, I suspect that having 250bb+ on the table matters because of pot commitment and leveraging implications on the turn, but I don't have the deepstack experience to comment further on that.
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Old 12-18-2015, 11:34 AM   #12182
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Yeah, I've played ~40-50 hours of 2/5 at Parx and already gotten in 200BB (&~150BB a good few times as well) in a limped pot..against a guy with a Q high flush... on a paired board, and he would have gotten more in if I had more behind.
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Old 12-18-2015, 12:18 PM   #12183
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Heh, I put in about 175 BBs with 77 on a QQT54 board maybe 30 table hours ago.
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Old 12-18-2015, 02:36 PM   #12184
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Nobody said anything about real or fake pros.

It's great that you don't lie about your results.

GOOD JOB!
shrug, sounds like you lie about your results to yourself and now ur getting upset?
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Old 12-18-2015, 03:06 PM   #12185
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Why would I be upset?

It would seem that such distinction has more effect on you, enough so that you brought it up using yourself as comparison.
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Old 12-18-2015, 03:11 PM   #12186
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Don't think so, but possible. Miller's strat in the Vegas games is to basically hit the nuts and get paid, or take a ton of pots away from Vegas nits when they cap their ranges. I can see how this range is in line with that general strat. Again, Vegas is special.
How much more to poker is there regardless of location?

Unless you're saying he's saying he can't do both, it's one or the other.

I don't know why you can't do both though.

Win the max. when you have the best hand against a strong 2nd best hand.
Lose the min. when you have a strong 2nd best hand against a better hand.
Win pots when no one in the hand has anything.

Those are the tent poles of winning at poker.
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Old 12-18-2015, 03:12 PM   #12187
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SP and HLB, let's just stop this impending micturation competition in its tracks.
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Old 12-18-2015, 03:21 PM   #12188
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How much more to poker is there regardless of location?

Unless you're saying he's saying he can't do both, it's one or the other.

I don't know why you can't do both though.

Win the max. when you have the best hand against a strong 2nd best hand.
Lose the min. when you have a strong 2nd best hand against a better hand.
Win pots when no one in the hand has anything.

Those are the tent poles of winning at poker.
Agreed.

If you took examples in Miller's book in their literal meaning, you're missing a ton of value.

Range provided in the book should be used as a baseline and readers are to adjust in accordance to game condition.
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Old 12-19-2015, 03:50 AM   #12189
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How much more to poker is there regardless of location?

Unless you're saying he's saying he can't do both, it's one or the other.

I don't know why you can't do both though.

Win the max. when you have the best hand against a strong 2nd best hand.
Lose the min. when you have a strong 2nd best hand against a better hand.
Win pots when no one in the hand has anything.

Those are the tent poles of winning at poker.
Sure, he just advocates it to an extreme in the vegas games. He wants to hit the nuts and hope to cooler or blow people out with over bets. From what i've heard, you're typically not able to get a ton of value with med strength top pair hand like you are at maryland live. This could lead me to play hands that can hit the nuts or nothing. Basically, if you don't have the nuts you're gonna end up bluffing. Based on squid, it seems like it's all bull **** from miller though.
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Old 12-19-2015, 03:53 AM   #12190
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Me too. I guess I make $20-$40/hr worth of obvious, correctable mistakes @ a $1/2 $500max level.

How much am I leaving behind at $2/5? $5/10?

What about all of the small edges I don't yet see with my current skill level?

It is a sobering thought.
The scariest thing about getting better at poker is that you know enough to realise how bad you still are
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Old 12-19-2015, 10:04 AM   #12191
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Old 12-19-2015, 10:49 AM   #12192
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All the more reason to stop trying to get better.

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Old 12-19-2015, 11:12 AM   #12193
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All the more reason to stop trying to get better.

The more you know. Jpg
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Old 12-19-2015, 04:54 PM   #12194
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Quoted for truth
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Old 12-19-2015, 06:14 PM   #12196
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From what i've heard, you're typically not able to get a ton of value with med strength top pair hand like you are at maryland live.
That's not a geographic thing, it's a new vs old thing. I guess they're related. Maryland doesn't have pros living there yet, LV is saturated with pros and decent rec players. If there's an opportunity for profit people will enter the market until it goes from everybody profiting to everyone breaking even, and then the entrance into the market will stop. There hasn't been enough time for people to enter in ML yet.

I don't particularly like Miller's articles, but I hear guys categorized as winning a ton of small pots or winning a few big pots. It is possible to do both.
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Old 12-19-2015, 06:49 PM   #12197
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I've been figuring out soft casinos I could visit for a few weeks to scope out somewhere to move to for at least a couple months. I just took a trip to Vegas and it was pretty good but there are def a ton of grinders.

So ML would be a suggested place to check out I suppose
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Old 12-20-2015, 07:01 PM   #12198
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I've been figuring out soft casinos I could visit for a few weeks to scope out somewhere to move to for at least a couple months. I just took a trip to Vegas and it was pretty good but there are def a ton of grinders.

So ML would be a suggested place to check out I suppose
Where are U playin' now? If it's not so soft, I don't want to make the mistake of going outta' my way to visit. Thanks.
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Old 12-20-2015, 09:17 PM   #12199
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Maryland doesn't have pros living there yet.
Are you drinking or smoking?
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Old 12-20-2015, 09:22 PM   #12200
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Where are U playin' now? If it's not so soft, I don't want to make the mistake of going outta' my way to visit. Thanks.
Its a pretty soft area but we only have 2/5 or 5/10 games running 2-3 times a week. I'm burnt out on grinding 1/3 but I need to put in more hours.
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