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View Poll Results: What is your Win Rate in terms of BB per Housr
Less than 0 (losing)
5 6.41%
0-2.5
0 0%
2.5-5
6 7.69%
5-7.5
8 10.26%
7.5-10
15 19.23%
10+
26 33.33%
Not enough sample size/I don't know
18 23.08%

11-30-2015 , 02:42 PM
And it's gettin' freakin' real old. 3 of the 4 answers SP quotes addresses the question. There is no way one can say it will decrease your wr by X%.

They could say it decreased/increased their wr by X% if they had the records to go back & look at, but it's player & opponent pool dependent I would think.

The quote: "What's wrong with playing 1/2?" was in response to SP's comment asking why after two years he was still playing 1/2

Last edited by ZuneIt; 11-30-2015 at 02:51 PM.
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11-30-2015 , 02:45 PM
Letzplay: I have been playing full time for quite some time. When my daughter was still in school I was committed to not getting on a crazy schedule and played the worst hours possible (daytime AND missing many weekends). My w/r was top shelf. After she graduated I switched to playing premuim hours. My w/r rose significantly.

My sample size and ability to know where my edge is allows me to conclude with quite a bit of certainty that most players in las vegas will earn more playing from 9-10pm through the time the game breaks rather than playing from 11am-8pm

not sure where you are playing. maybe the gap is smaller...but i would be willing to wager there is still a gap
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11-30-2015 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ZuneIt
And it's gettin' freakin' real old. 3 of the 4 answers SP quotes addresses the question. There is no way one can say it will decrease your wr by X%.
And saying that 1 month sample size is meaningless isn't addressing the same question?

Dude asked a question that isn't answerable, and he followed it up by saying that he will simply do an experiment.

I skipped few steps of back and forth and went straight to telling him that playing a month won't actually get him the answer he is seeking.

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Originally Posted by ZuneIt
The quote: "What's wrong with playing 1/2?" was in response to SP's comment asking why after two years he was still playing 1/2
And that's in response to V's response that he just needs minimal time to figure it out, the same way he figured out that poker is printing money 2 years ago.

So again, I pointed out the obvious fault of his statement.
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11-30-2015 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Sneaky Pete
And saying that 1 month sample size is meaningless isn't addressing the same question?

Dude asked a question that isn't answerable, and he followed it up by saying that he will simply do an experiment.

I skipped few steps of back and forth and went straight to telling him that playing a month won't actually get him the answer he is seeking.



And that's in response to V's response that he just needs minimal time to figure it out, the same way he figured out that poker is printing money 2 years ago.

So again, I pointed out the obvious fault of his statement.
9 out of 10, masterclass
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11-30-2015 , 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by letzplayHU
Since you can't add anything to the discussion, like your experience with day time vs night crowd and how to exploit the former or latter, can you just not post?
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I should offer that experience to you because?
letzplayHU, only people here willing to offer that info, are people willing to pay it forward with the knowledge they've acquired here or elsewhere.

Others, well, they run around in circles tryin' to stir things up.
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11-30-2015 , 03:33 PM
Like you're doing right now?

How are you not trolling?
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11-30-2015 , 03:34 PM
You're right. I should have sent him a private message. My bad.
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11-30-2015 , 03:51 PM
Sneaky Pete why are you referring to another post as a V?

Not very sneaky IMO.
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11-30-2015 , 03:53 PM
Habit.

Everyone is V to me anyway.

And you do know that I am the namesake character in a soon-to-be-very-popular-show?
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11-30-2015 , 03:54 PM
Yeah I kind of got that impression Sneaky Pete.
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11-30-2015 , 06:00 PM
For some your-hours-mean-nothing lolz, here's my best stretch vs worst stretch (over "significant", lolz, hours) broken out of my 2,547:30 hours at my 1/3 NL game.

Best Stretch: 1,013:35 hours (118 sessions) @ $38.37/hr (12.79 bb/hr)

Worst Stretch: 773:35 hours (91 sessions) @ $9.30/hr (3.10 bb/hr)

Gyourhoursprobablymeannothing,maybe?G
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11-30-2015 , 06:18 PM
I work full time and play on the side, and downswings a real thing. Currently in a 500 hour BE stretch that involves 2 big downswings (I don't hold when I flop da set)
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11-30-2015 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by UCDLaCrosse
I work full time and play on the side, and downswings a real thing. Currently in a 500 hour BE stretch that involves 2 big downswings (I don't hold when I flop da set)
What's your volume look like?

I've had some stretches like that that took about a year to grind through.
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11-30-2015 , 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by squid face
Letzplay: I have been playing full time for quite some time. When my daughter was still in school I was committed to not getting on a crazy schedule and played the worst hours possible (daytime AND missing many weekends). My w/r was top shelf. After she graduated I switched to playing premuim hours. My w/r rose significantly.

My sample size and ability to know where my edge is allows me to conclude with quite a bit of certainty that most players in las vegas will earn more playing from 9-10pm through the time the game breaks rather than playing from 11am-8pm

not sure where you are playing. maybe the gap is smaller...but i would be willing to wager there is still a gap

Hmm been wanting to ask this question, if as a grinder you were only able to play during the daytime (weekdays) and Friday nights with the occasional Sunday afternoons, can you still churn out a decent yearly result of say 15-20bb per hour? Without requiring a huge edge over the field?
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11-30-2015 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by jaicee5
Hmm been wanting to ask this question, if as a grinder you were only able to play during the daytime (weekdays) and Friday nights with the occasional Sunday afternoons, can you still churn out a decent yearly result of say 15-20bb per hour? Without requiring a huge edge over the field?
a w/r of 15-20bb/hr is a stone cold killer
a stone cold killer has massive edge over the field

without huge edge over the field you are a marginal winner at best

answer = no
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11-30-2015 , 07:11 PM
Ok it's clear I was overly optimistic haha. For a serious Rec player is it better to just stick with the Friday night and Sunday afternoon games where there are more tables to choose from as opposed to daytime weekdays where there are close to a third of the games available?

Or is this question just too hard to give a general answer without knowing the dynamics of the room?
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11-30-2015 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by squid face
a w/r of 15-20bb/hr is a stone cold killer
a stone cold killer has massive edge over the field

without huge edge over the field you are a marginal winner at best

answer = no
And this stone cold killer needs constant access to deep tables and good games.

Rooms that typically play short or only have occasional juicy games are nor going to support that kind of wins.
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11-30-2015 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by jaicee5
Ok it's clear I was overly optimistic haha. For a serious Rec player is it better to just stick with the Friday night and Sunday afternoon games where there are more tables to choose from as opposed to daytime weekdays where there are close to a third of the games available?

Or is this question just too hard to give a general answer without knowing the dynamics of the room?
How hard are you willing to work?
do you have a competitive need to be the best you can possibly be?

If the answer is a truthful yes - then no problem

the problem is most cant answer yes...and those that do are generally lying to themselves b/c they have not been their personal best at anything so far in their lives and it stands to reason they will continue down the same path
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11-30-2015 , 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by squid face
How hard are you willing to work?

do you have a competitive need to be the best you can possibly be?



If the answer is a truthful yes - then no problem



the problem is most cant answer yes...and those that do are generally lying to themselves b/c they have not been their personal best at anything so far in their lives and it stands to reason they will continue down the same path

Well I've invested in a training website, reading HH on 2+2 daily, listen to training vids at work, picking the brains of pros when I can, analysing my play after each session in my own poker journal and contributing my thoughts on other people's HH. When I'm playing, whilst I do glance at the TVs at the casino from time to time, I analyse the actions on each hand whether I'm in the hand or not.

I'm more honest to myself on my abilities as a poker player and not base my ability on my Winrate. I have come to the realisation that my initial few months of playing again this year I was on a heater and mimicked my plays on poker pros, without knowing the reason why those plays where done.

So being a Rec player I'm unsure whether I should just stick to the softer games or try and grind as many hours as possible (playing during the day on weekdays) even if the games are tighter and shorter stacked.
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11-30-2015 , 11:09 PM
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What's your volume look like?

I've had some stretches like that that took about a year to grind through.
I play 10-20 hours a week, and this stretch is going on about a year and a half now.
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11-30-2015 , 11:15 PM
Went to the casino tonight with the intention of playing 1/3, but no games were running so sat at 1/2. Ran up $300 to $500 in about an hour, and then a huge fish at my table who I've played with before announced he was going to 2/5. I checked out the table he was playing at and noticed 2-3 more fish I have played 1/2 with, so instantly switched to 2/5 and bought in for $1000.

It was about the fishiest table I have ever been at...wish I could have picked up more hands, but was given this gift.

2 limps, sb folds. Hero checks option 63

Pot ($17)
Flop: 66K

Hero bets $15
One call.

Pot ($47)
Turn 3

Hero bets $50
Villain raises to $200
Hero raises to $650
Villain calls.

Pot ($1347)
River: 7

Hero shoves for 345
Villain calls

Pot ($2000)
Hero shows 63
shows Q2
Ship it

Only played for a couple hours, won another medium sized hand, lost a few small hands,and made one bad river call. Ended the day +900 and left once the table became a lot less fishy.

Good start to my 2/5 shot-taking
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11-30-2015 , 11:17 PM
Hey guys, where's the best place to play 1/3 in Vegas? I saw the "Wynn Casino", 1/3 max $500, is a good match?
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11-30-2015 , 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by UCDLaCrosse
I work full time and play on the side, and downswings a real thing. Currently in a 500 hour BE stretch that involves 2 big downswings (I don't hold when I flop da set)
Is this at $1/2 or $2/5 and at the same card room? If it's the latter, maybe you should move down in stakes and see if you can get some momentum going over a 50 hour time period. Also if you live by multiple casinos maybe you can mix it up and play at a different venue for a fresh perspective.
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12-01-2015 , 01:28 AM
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Originally Posted by UCDLaCrosse
I play 10-20 hours a week, and this stretch is going on about a year and a half now.
That's pretty similar to mine then.

I get about 45 hours in a month, with varying session lengths and the occasional 100 hour month when I get a vacation. Most of 2015 has been really short sessions and it's been a very noisy year with up and down swings to end up basically flat.

Changing venues helps some, as does taking a break from the game for a while.
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12-01-2015 , 06:02 AM
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Hardware company disguised as a social media company...or is it the opposite...hmmmm

Remember When smartphones were called iPhones ?

Ive never heard of an action camera before
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