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Old 11-30-2015, 09:12 AM   #11926
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So far this year I'm at $25 an hour over 613 hours, with ~85% of the play at $1/2, and the rest being 2/5. I've been playing mixed hours, with most of my playing being at relatively ideal times, 9:00 pm to early morning.

How much do you think my WR will drop if I play only during the day, with the last action being around 10-11 pm?

Let's assume I am actually a $25 hr/winner. How much could I expect my WR to drop? 40%? 60%? 80%? Become a loser?

During the day time, it's mostly tighter players who are pretty straight forward postflop, and the loose idiots are more uncommon.

Regardless, I'm going to run the experiment for at least one month in december, I'll be starting a PG&C thread about it. ( The Old Man Coffee Crushing Challenge ).

The reason for it that I'm tired of killing myself. Getting a few hours of sleep then off to the part-time job. I've probably given away 10-15k playing tired, this year alone! Also my monthly spending would make most people vomit, when tired I buy $100 of expensive unhealthy food, large gourmet pizzas, kombuchas($4 a bottle here in florida), gluten free treats & gourmet chocolet bars...

When I'm operating on no sleep, I basically want to kill myself. It ****ing sucks bros and ladies
Depends if you can adjust.

I've never had a problem beating daytime games. Maybe it's not quite as +EV but it's nice when your opponents will play very predictably and rarely put you to a hard decision.
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Old 11-30-2015, 09:45 AM   #11927
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Old 11-30-2015, 09:59 AM   #11928
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letzplayHU is getting a lot of grief for a pretty sweet WR.

I think the number one issue at 1-2 is stack size. If the daytime stack sizes are deep, you can make some nice money. It may be the daytime villains fold too much, while the midnight villains fold too little. Daytime you should run into plenty of regs, so learning how each of them plays will help. For bad 1-2 regs, that may take 15 minutes and you're most of the way there. gl!
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Old 11-30-2015, 10:07 AM   #11929
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SP, if you don't want to engage with people, just don't. Don't spend a post saying "you're dumb and I'm not going to engage with what you want to talk about."
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Old 11-30-2015, 02:33 PM   #11930
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I agree and I'll do just that.

Although I find it interesting that no one else actually answered his questions.

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So far this year I'm at $25 an hour over 613 hours, with ~85% of the play at $1/2, and the rest being 2/5. I've been playing mixed hours, with most of my playing being at relatively ideal times, 9:00 pm to early morning.

How much do you think my WR will drop if I play only during the day, with the last action being around 10-11 pm?

Let's assume I am actually a $25 hr/winner. How much could I expect my WR to drop? 40%? 60%? 80%? Become a loser?


During the day time, it's mostly tighter players who are pretty straight forward postflop, and the loose idiots are more uncommon.

Regardless, I'm going to run the experiment for at least one month in december, I'll be starting a PG&C thread about it. ( The Old Man Coffee Crushing Challenge ).

The reason for it that I'm tired of killing myself. Getting a few hours of sleep then off to the part-time job. I've probably given away 10-15k playing tired, this year alone! Also my monthly spending would make most people vomit, when tired I buy $100 of expensive unhealthy food, large gourmet pizzas, kombuchas($4 a bottle here in florida), gluten free treats & gourmet chocolet bars...

When I'm operating on no sleep, I basically want to kill myself. It ****ing sucks bros and ladies
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Day games just absolutely suck. Primo games here are found between 3 and 8am.
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Depends if you can adjust.

I've never had a problem beating daytime games. Maybe it's not quite as +EV but it's nice when your opponents will play very predictably and rarely put you to a hard decision.
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letzplayHU is getting a lot of grief for a pretty sweet WR.

I think the number one issue at 1-2 is stack size. If the daytime stack sizes are deep, you can make some nice money. It may be the daytime villains fold too much, while the midnight villains fold too little. Daytime you should run into plenty of regs, so learning how each of them plays will help. For bad 1-2 regs, that may take 15 minutes and you're most of the way there. gl!
And I got grief for stating that 1 month is a meaningless sample size.
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Old 11-30-2015, 02:40 PM   #11931
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I agree and I'll do just that.

Although I find it interesting that no one else actually answered his questions.











And I got grief for stating that 1 month is a meaningless sample size.
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Old 11-30-2015, 02:42 PM   #11932
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And it's gettin' freakin' real old. 3 of the 4 answers SP quotes addresses the question. There is no way one can say it will decrease your wr by X%.

They could say it decreased/increased their wr by X% if they had the records to go back & look at, but it's player & opponent pool dependent I would think.

The quote: "What's wrong with playing 1/2?" was in response to SP's comment asking why after two years he was still playing 1/2

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Old 11-30-2015, 02:45 PM   #11933
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Letzplay: I have been playing full time for quite some time. When my daughter was still in school I was committed to not getting on a crazy schedule and played the worst hours possible (daytime AND missing many weekends). My w/r was top shelf. After she graduated I switched to playing premuim hours. My w/r rose significantly.

My sample size and ability to know where my edge is allows me to conclude with quite a bit of certainty that most players in las vegas will earn more playing from 9-10pm through the time the game breaks rather than playing from 11am-8pm

not sure where you are playing. maybe the gap is smaller...but i would be willing to wager there is still a gap
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Old 11-30-2015, 02:50 PM   #11934
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And it's gettin' freakin' real old. 3 of the 4 answers SP quotes addresses the question. There is no way one can say it will decrease your wr by X%.
And saying that 1 month sample size is meaningless isn't addressing the same question?

Dude asked a question that isn't answerable, and he followed it up by saying that he will simply do an experiment.

I skipped few steps of back and forth and went straight to telling him that playing a month won't actually get him the answer he is seeking.

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The quote: "What's wrong with playing 1/2?" was in response to SP's comment asking why after two years he was still playing 1/2
And that's in response to V's response that he just needs minimal time to figure it out, the same way he figured out that poker is printing money 2 years ago.

So again, I pointed out the obvious fault of his statement.
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Old 11-30-2015, 03:01 PM   #11935
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And saying that 1 month sample size is meaningless isn't addressing the same question?

Dude asked a question that isn't answerable, and he followed it up by saying that he will simply do an experiment.

I skipped few steps of back and forth and went straight to telling him that playing a month won't actually get him the answer he is seeking.



And that's in response to V's response that he just needs minimal time to figure it out, the same way he figured out that poker is printing money 2 years ago.

So again, I pointed out the obvious fault of his statement.
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Old 11-30-2015, 03:28 PM   #11936
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Since you can't add anything to the discussion, like your experience with day time vs night crowd and how to exploit the former or latter, can you just not post?
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I should offer that experience to you because?
letzplayHU, only people here willing to offer that info, are people willing to pay it forward with the knowledge they've acquired here or elsewhere.

Others, well, they run around in circles tryin' to stir things up.
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Old 11-30-2015, 03:33 PM   #11937
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Like you're doing right now?

How are you not trolling?
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Old 11-30-2015, 03:34 PM   #11938
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You're right. I should have sent him a private message. My bad.
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Old 11-30-2015, 03:51 PM   #11939
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Sneaky Pete why are you referring to another post as a V?

Not very sneaky IMO.
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Old 11-30-2015, 03:53 PM   #11940
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Habit.

Everyone is V to me anyway.

And you do know that I am the namesake character in a soon-to-be-very-popular-show?
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Old 11-30-2015, 03:54 PM   #11941
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Yeah I kind of got that impression Sneaky Pete.
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Old 11-30-2015, 06:00 PM   #11942
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For some your-hours-mean-nothing lolz, here's my best stretch vs worst stretch (over "significant", lolz, hours) broken out of my 2,547:30 hours at my 1/3 NL game.

Best Stretch: 1,013:35 hours (118 sessions) @ $38.37/hr (12.79 bb/hr)

Worst Stretch: 773:35 hours (91 sessions) @ $9.30/hr (3.10 bb/hr)

Gyourhoursprobablymeannothing,maybe?G
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Old 11-30-2015, 06:18 PM   #11943
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I work full time and play on the side, and downswings a real thing. Currently in a 500 hour BE stretch that involves 2 big downswings (I don't hold when I flop da set)
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Old 11-30-2015, 06:26 PM   #11944
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I work full time and play on the side, and downswings a real thing. Currently in a 500 hour BE stretch that involves 2 big downswings (I don't hold when I flop da set)
What's your volume look like?

I've had some stretches like that that took about a year to grind through.
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Old 11-30-2015, 06:52 PM   #11945
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Letzplay: I have been playing full time for quite some time. When my daughter was still in school I was committed to not getting on a crazy schedule and played the worst hours possible (daytime AND missing many weekends). My w/r was top shelf. After she graduated I switched to playing premuim hours. My w/r rose significantly.

My sample size and ability to know where my edge is allows me to conclude with quite a bit of certainty that most players in las vegas will earn more playing from 9-10pm through the time the game breaks rather than playing from 11am-8pm

not sure where you are playing. maybe the gap is smaller...but i would be willing to wager there is still a gap

Hmm been wanting to ask this question, if as a grinder you were only able to play during the daytime (weekdays) and Friday nights with the occasional Sunday afternoons, can you still churn out a decent yearly result of say 15-20bb per hour? Without requiring a huge edge over the field?
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Old 11-30-2015, 07:06 PM   #11946
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Hmm been wanting to ask this question, if as a grinder you were only able to play during the daytime (weekdays) and Friday nights with the occasional Sunday afternoons, can you still churn out a decent yearly result of say 15-20bb per hour? Without requiring a huge edge over the field?
a w/r of 15-20bb/hr is a stone cold killer
a stone cold killer has massive edge over the field

without huge edge over the field you are a marginal winner at best

answer = no
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Old 11-30-2015, 07:11 PM   #11947
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Ok it's clear I was overly optimistic haha. For a serious Rec player is it better to just stick with the Friday night and Sunday afternoon games where there are more tables to choose from as opposed to daytime weekdays where there are close to a third of the games available?

Or is this question just too hard to give a general answer without knowing the dynamics of the room?
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Old 11-30-2015, 07:25 PM   #11948
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a w/r of 15-20bb/hr is a stone cold killer
a stone cold killer has massive edge over the field

without huge edge over the field you are a marginal winner at best

answer = no
And this stone cold killer needs constant access to deep tables and good games.

Rooms that typically play short or only have occasional juicy games are nor going to support that kind of wins.
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Old 11-30-2015, 07:40 PM   #11949
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Ok it's clear I was overly optimistic haha. For a serious Rec player is it better to just stick with the Friday night and Sunday afternoon games where there are more tables to choose from as opposed to daytime weekdays where there are close to a third of the games available?

Or is this question just too hard to give a general answer without knowing the dynamics of the room?
How hard are you willing to work?
do you have a competitive need to be the best you can possibly be?

If the answer is a truthful yes - then no problem

the problem is most cant answer yes...and those that do are generally lying to themselves b/c they have not been their personal best at anything so far in their lives and it stands to reason they will continue down the same path
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Old 11-30-2015, 09:17 PM   #11950
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How hard are you willing to work?

do you have a competitive need to be the best you can possibly be?



If the answer is a truthful yes - then no problem



the problem is most cant answer yes...and those that do are generally lying to themselves b/c they have not been their personal best at anything so far in their lives and it stands to reason they will continue down the same path

Well I've invested in a training website, reading HH on 2+2 daily, listen to training vids at work, picking the brains of pros when I can, analysing my play after each session in my own poker journal and contributing my thoughts on other people's HH. When I'm playing, whilst I do glance at the TVs at the casino from time to time, I analyse the actions on each hand whether I'm in the hand or not.

I'm more honest to myself on my abilities as a poker player and not base my ability on my Winrate. I have come to the realisation that my initial few months of playing again this year I was on a heater and mimicked my plays on poker pros, without knowing the reason why those plays where done.

So being a Rec player I'm unsure whether I should just stick to the softer games or try and grind as many hours as possible (playing during the day on weekdays) even if the games are tighter and shorter stacked.
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