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Old 11-25-2015, 11:23 AM   #11801
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I live at home with my parents and they support me. I am in college and just turned 23.

$6k is all I have to my name and is my entire online roll. I was going to withdraw maybe $2.5-$3k for cash in hand and leave the rest on Bovada.
Why not just move up to 200 NL on bovada? You guys seem to be missing the fact that he is a proven online winner and busting his roll would preclude him from being able to bang out online profit. 6k is a significant sum of money for 99% of people. YOLO is kind of a dumb attitude to have here. If you really want to do it, the downside is limited, but it isn't exactly the smart choice. Very likely you will bust before making the adjustment to live 2/5.

This is all assuming you can make a reasonable hourly online if course. If you're talking under $10 then go play some 1/3 live imo.
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Old 11-25-2015, 11:23 AM   #11802
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Three or four 10/10 games going right now contemplating taking another shot. Up $750 at 2/5 so would only be risking $250. Lineup looks soft but I got raped for $2k last time I shot took.
You know, there was a LLSNL legend pro DGI/dgiharris who used to shot-take 10/25 NL regularly whenever he had "grinded up" wins at smaller stakes earlier in the week. That was actually his gameplan...week in and week out. "Grind up profit at smaller stakes so I can "freeroll" higher stakes games" seemed to work out well for him...

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Old 11-25-2015, 12:24 PM   #11803
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Three or four 10/10 games going right now contemplating taking another shot. Up $750 at 2/5 so would only be risking $250. Lineup looks soft but I got raped for $2k last time I shot took.
U can do it JB!

We need a LLSNL'er to become a Mid Stakes Reg. and let us all follow along vicariously.
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Old 11-25-2015, 12:39 PM   #11804
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You know, there was a LLSNL legend pro DGI/dgiharris who used to shot-take 10/25 NL regularly whenever he had "grinded up" wins at smaller stakes earlier in the week. That was actually his gameplan...week in and week out. "Grind up profit at smaller stakes so I can "freeroll" higher stakes games" seemed to work out well for him...
Lol that sarcasm... What happened to dgi? His threads really helped me, he added a lot of value to two plus two.
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Old 11-25-2015, 12:42 PM   #11805
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If you have time to waste, you can read the **** storm which was the last couple hundred posts of his PG&C thread. Since then I don't think anyone has heard from him on 2+2.
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Old 11-25-2015, 12:44 PM   #11806
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We need a LLSNL'er to become a Mid Stakes Reg. and let us all follow along vicariously.
Lol, by the sounds of it your lowly 1/2 NL game plays like a mid stakes game (4.5K stacks?!!?! lolz).

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Old 11-25-2015, 12:46 PM   #11807
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If you have time to waste, you can read the **** storm which was the last couple hundred posts of his PG&C thread. Since then I don't think anyone has heard from him on 2+2.
cool, I'll check it out righ now.
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Old 11-25-2015, 12:47 PM   #11808
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Avaritia is the most recent llsnl grad I can think of. It can happen!

As the light-hearted trolling has alluded to, if you spend all your winnings (or shot-take with them) all that you have left are losses and you are headed to certain ruin.

If you're really serious about moving up, sit with a minbuy. Tell yourself that minbuy is gone. Be a nit. You're just there to gather information. Analyze every hand, try to figure out how you can exploit these players. Then ask yourself if you can make money in that game, and if you can make enough that it's worth playing.

But you don't have to move up to make progress. You can be better at your current stake. I'm actually happier playing 2/5 well and not worrying than trying 5/10 and being scared and miserable even if my theoretical EV might be a bit higher.
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Old 11-25-2015, 12:54 PM   #11809
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Avaritia is the most recent llsnl grad I can think of. It can happen!
Is that where he went? Wondered what happened to him and why he wasn't around no more.

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Old 11-25-2015, 01:14 PM   #11810
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Avaritia is the most recent llsnl grad I can think of. It can happen!
FWIW, I think Avaritia still plays mostly live 2/5 NL. He just prefers posting in MHSFR.
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Old 11-25-2015, 01:19 PM   #11811
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FWIW, I think Avaritia still plays mostly live 2/5 NL. He just prefers posting in MHSFR.
Really?

Still there are multiple posters in this LLSNL forum that primarily play mid-stakes. Most don't post much strategy though.
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Old 11-25-2015, 01:32 PM   #11812
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It's times like these, when people fret about moving up in stakes, I'm kind of glad that I really don't have that option.

There is a calm assurance in knowing that (hopefully) crushing 1/3 nl is the basically the ceiling in my area.
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Old 11-25-2015, 01:37 PM   #11813
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You know, there was a LLSNL legend pro DGI/dgiharris who used to shot-take 10/25 NL regularly whenever he had "grinded up" wins at smaller stakes earlier in the week. That was actually his gameplan...week in and week out. "Grind up profit at smaller stakes so I can "freeroll" higher stakes games" seemed to work out well for him...

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Lol that sarcasm... What happened to dgi? His threads really helped me, he added a lot of value to two plus two.

lol added entertainment value - yes
Poker value - lol gawd no
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Old 11-25-2015, 02:28 PM   #11814
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I swear to god he was a very tight aggro player when I started playing live
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Old 11-25-2015, 02:39 PM   #11815
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What's wrong with shot taking? How else are you supposed to test your progress?
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Old 11-25-2015, 03:19 PM   #11816
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What's wrong with shot taking? How else are you supposed to test your progress?
Take your shots. But saying your taking a shot only risking $250 isn't true. (Sure it may not hurt as bad mentally)

You are still risking 1k of your bankroll, that you have in your possession.
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Old 11-25-2015, 03:48 PM   #11817
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For me personally, I would consider myself taking a shot at 2/5NL if I had 4k more than I needed for my 1/2NL bankroll [that guarantees <5% ROR] & decide to use the 4k to see how I do.

I was surprised to read squid face's post where he said 5k was an ample roll for him.

I thought you would need 25k, i.e., 50 buy-in's to reduce your ROR to <5% playing 2/5NL.
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Old 11-25-2015, 04:11 PM   #11818
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For me personally, I would consider myself taking a shot at 2/5NL if I had 4k more than I needed for my 1/2NL bankroll [that guarantees <5% ROR] & decide to use the 4k to see how I do.

I was surprised to read squid face's post where he said 5k was an ample roll for him.

I thought you would need 25k, i.e., 50 buy-in's to reduce your ROR to <5% playing 2/5NL.

I will expound my man.

I said buying in for 100 bigs in those particular games I would feel comfy with a 5k roll. I have played a lot of poker AND I have played those games. I know precisely where and what my edge is. Anything can and will happen in gamboolin and 10+ bi downswings do occur. But I am quite self aware and am able to reevaluate my situation and what needs to be done to prevent going busto.

I also tried to make it clear that I do not know if he will be able to adjust from online to live
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Old 11-25-2015, 04:35 PM   #11819
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For me personally, I would consider myself taking a shot at 2/5NL if I had 4k more than I needed for my 1/2NL bankroll [that guarantees <5% ROR] & decide to use the 4k to see how I do.

I was surprised to read squid face's post where he said 5k was an ample roll for him.

I thought you would need 25k, i.e., 50 buy-in's to reduce your ROR to <5% playing 2/5NL.
In a FR game, you are only putting in 1.5 blinds every 9 hands.

For an experienced winning player, patiently waiting for someone to make glaring mistakes isn't that hard.
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Old 11-25-2015, 05:02 PM   #11820
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With $5k all you have to do is play a full weekend at 2/5. Then you have a $10k roll. EZ game.
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Old 11-25-2015, 07:40 PM   #11821
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Isn't 50 buyins overdoing it for live fullring?

I'm planning on returning to playing 1/2 at the casino in the new year as I will have a 4K roll ready then. Isn't 20 buyins sufficient?

Like SneakyPete says - I'm just going to be sat there waiting for fish to do stupid stuff and hope to book easy wins...
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Old 11-25-2015, 07:47 PM   #11822
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Isn't 50 buyins overdoing it for live fullring?

I'm planning on returning to playing 1/2 at the casino in the new year as I will have a 4K roll ready then. Isn't 20 buyins sufficient?

Like SneakyPete says - I'm just going to be sat there waiting for fish to do stupid stuff and hope to book easy wins...
yes it is. I think even 10 BB downswings are very rare are 1/2 depending on your play style. If you are multi tabling 6max online then yes you may need more but 20 is more than enough for 1/2 live full ring.
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Old 11-25-2015, 07:54 PM   #11823
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1/2 is the smallest stake game. As long as the bills are paid, may as well play even if you have 1 buyin. Where you gonna go, 2/4 LHE?
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Old 11-25-2015, 07:59 PM   #11824
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FWIW, most profitable way of playing and least likely to go busto way of playing are not the same.
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Old 11-25-2015, 07:59 PM   #11825
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Thanks.

Yeah I know, got nowhere cheaper to go! Earlier this year I played with just 2 buy ins. Won every session but had to spend the winnings so never grew roll. Eventually got fed up playing so nitty. I'm not going to go crazy but I'd just like enough behind me that I can follow up on a read occasionally rather than nit-fold and wait for almost certain spots.

Plan is play greater EV poker and don't spend any of my roll.
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