Honestly, you might never be fully confident your sample size is large enough (ex. I recently posted here how my last ~700 hours I'm running at 1/3rd of what I ran my first ~1800 hours, in the same game).

However, it looks like you're off to a good start and by this time you should be getting a handle on who the good players are and who the losers are and what mistakes / etc. are being made. Assuming you have a replenishable bankroll, perhaps eye up the larger stakes table and sit in it if the player makeup looks good?

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The games play different enough that I don't think there is a logical minimum number of hours before you move up. You need the bankroll. You need the psychological bankroll. You need to be good enough at the pokerz.

I'd recommend buying in for 100bb until you believe that you are a winning player at that level.

I've suggested in the past that the move from 1-2 or 1-3 to 2-5 is a challenging difference in many venues, but many seem to disagree with that opinion. (I've played both in many different casinos, including yours)

Thanks guys - appreciate all the advice. I was definitely discouraged after taking a few shots in the summer and getting crushed, but in hindsight, on top of losing multiple big pots after getting the money in good, I think I really let the higher stakes affect my game and played pretty terribly in a lot of spots. I just set the 20k goal as an arbitrary number to prove to myself that I was playing solid enough to try and move up again, but I feel like my game has been consistently improving enough over time to think about taking some shots again in the near future.

WR over time is just an indicator of progress, nothing more.

If your WR is maintaining or better, it is a good sign that you may be progressing.

If your WR is decreasing, it may be that you need to work on your game some more.

Do you think I could get away with playing 2/5 NLHE on weekends, if I table selected hard, with a $5k roll? I am in South FL.

Currently playing mostly 100NL on Bovada. A few bb winrate over 100k hands. Also beating 200NL over a 10k hand sample but that doesn't mean much.

Is 5k all you have to your name? Or would you still have a online roll? And do you have 6 months of expenses saved somewhere else?

I think you need to give us a lot more info related to your entire financial picture before we can say whether 5k is enough for you to grind juicy live 2/5 NLHE games on weekends.

I live at home with my parents and they support me. I am in college and just turned 23.

$6k is all I have to my name and is my entire online roll. I was going to withdraw maybe $2.5-$3k for cash in hand and leave the rest on Bovada.

I have played a ton on line
I have played a ton live
I have played south florida games

5k is ample for me if I bought in for 100 bigs

That being said it may not be for you. After Black Friday I saw a TON of on line players not able to adjust to live play and spray chips all over the place.

standard problems
impatient
trying to win every pot
entitlement tilt

Will you have those problems - I cant say cuz I dont know you or your game.

Sure a $6k roll is enough to play live 2/5NL. Just need to understand your risk of ruin % will be higher than that of a player with a solid bankroll.

Also need to consider if you know you're capable of beating the games solidly. This is where most people overestimate their abilities imo... The beauty of NL is it can make the worst player in the world think he is the best player for a time...

Not being a solid confident winner will def be a problem especially on a short roll. How will this effect your play after having a tough session? Will you leave or stay and play stuck? Will you adhere to rules you set for yourself and your bankroll?

Imo risk of ruin will be high in your particular situation... The question is how high and what is your tolerance for risk?

Would you be ok if you lost the whole $6k 20% of the time? What about 35% of the time. But then the flip side is you may succeed 80% of the time. Or 65% of the time. Who knows what the real risk of ruin % is for you and your situation.

Risk/reward...

Hope this helps give a general guideline and understanding of the risk your taking.

23 years old, in college, with support from home... ****ing go for it and don't worry. There is no "ruin" nor any significant risk.

You may lose $6k, but so what... live poker requires very minimal extra cash flow to have infinite lives at 1/3.

I think he may feel the $6k is a lil more important than **** it YOLO that ****! Other wise the question probably wouldn't have been asked.

Risk of ruin is logical perspective to look at the risk/reward and see if it makes sense for him personally to take that kinda risk.

If your 35 with spouse/kids and a mortgage and 6k is a significant part of your assets, yeah, don't just YOLO the money

OP is 23, in college, no significant bills, 6k is really nothing. At worst it's a few months of a job.

There is no reason to risk the entire 6k. You take a shot and if you run good stay at 2/5. If you don't run good, drop down to 1/2 or 1/3 and build it back up and then take another shot. Rinse and repeat.

Three or four 10/10 games going right now contemplating taking another shot. Up $750 at 2/5 so would only be risking $250. Lineup looks soft but I got raped for $2k last time I shot took.

Almost free rolling for the day. I'd probably stick to 2/5 since ur running good

bm303,

In your situation, i would probably play 50% live 2/5 NL and 50% live 1/3 NL (or live 1/2 NL is live 1/3 NL isn't spread at your casino). Just play whichever game seems to have the juicier lineup. You don't have to be a "2/5 player" or a "1/3 player." Just bumhunt the best tables.

You are rolled for playing a mix of live 2/5 NL and live 1/3 NL (assuming you only play 2/5 NL when it looks juicy), but you probably aren't rolled for playing strictly live 2/5 NL.

can't tell if serious or not

Go for it. I'n your shoes I'd take about a 4k shot.

I would lay a lot on serious.

Why not just move up to 200 NL on bovada? You guys seem to be missing the fact that he is a proven online winner and busting his roll would preclude him from being able to bang out online profit. 6k is a significant sum of money for 99% of people. YOLO is kind of a dumb attitude to have here. If you really want to do it, the downside is limited, but it isn't exactly the smart choice. Very likely you will bust before making the adjustment to live 2/5.

This is all assuming you can make a reasonable hourly online if course. If you're talking under $10 then go play some 1/3 live imo.

You know, there was a LLSNL legend pro DGI/dgiharris who used to shot-take 10/25 NL regularly whenever he had "grinded up" wins at smaller stakes earlier in the week. That was actually his gameplan...week in and week out. "Grind up profit at smaller stakes so I can "freeroll" higher stakes games" seemed to work out well for him...

U can do it JB!

We need a LLSNL'er to become a Mid Stakes Reg. and let us all follow along vicariously.

Lol that sarcasm... What happened to dgi? His threads really helped me, he added a lot of value to two plus two.

If you have time to waste, you can read the **** storm which was the last couple hundred posts of his PG&C thread. Since then I don't think anyone has heard from him on 2+2.

Lol, by the sounds of it your lowly 1/2 NL game plays like a mid stakes game (4.5K stacks?!!?! lolz).

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