In my area (netherlands) can i choose beetween 2 games both are 2/4 min 200 max 1000. One with 10% rake cap 10 and the other with 5% rake cap 20. Player pool is the same. Which One Would you choose?

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10% to $10 and it isn't even close.

Sub $200 is the only time that the 5% rake will work out more in your favor, which is only a 50bb pot. That means if it is heads up that each person only put in 25bb.
If we are opening to 5bb (pretty standard at fairly low levels) and get 1 caller, we cBet for ~7bb most of the time, get 1 caller and then bet either the turn or the river for another 13bb into 25bb and we get 1 caller we have already reached the point where we are more beneficial to have the 10% rake as opposed to the 5% rake capped higher.

Let alone if this was a multi way pot.
If we have 2 limpers, we raise to 7bb, get 2 callers now there is ~22bb in the pot. If we bet 15bb and get 1 caller, already we've capped our rake and are better off.

If for some reason both games play super nitty and the pots are always really small and stacks pretty much never go in (maybe like a day time game where we open for 3bb, cBet for 3 and almost always take it down right there or something stupid like that) then the lower % would be better, but in general in lower stakes games you are going to want the lower overall cap.

Any opinions on whether a 1/3/5 game with some of the worst players imaginable and decent stacks is beatable by a significant margin at a 10% $10 max rake?

Yes, definitely.

This isn't perfect, but just take the winrate of wtv you think is attainable in a 5$ max rake game of similar skill level and deduct 10$ from that.

Which game do you think would offer the lowest RoR for the same bankroll:

A 2/5 $500 cap with 2x utg straddle

Or a 1/3 $300 cap with 2x-5x Mississippi straddle that is on probably 25%-50% of the time?

One problem with the question is the field is considerably softer in the 1-3 game, imo. (talking about the actual fields, not a hypothetical). Also, I don't think the straddle is out that often. And, the 2-5 is 600 max.

To answer the question, RoR way higher in the 2-5.

You guys play in the same game?

To clarify you are asking about Risk of Ruin, rather than Rate of Return or Return on Revenue which are the very common meanings of RoR.

Particularly on a poker forum.

I was assuming risk of ruin for my answer, yes, he is asking about bal shoe 1-3 and mdl 2-5 I assume

Risk of ruin.

Apologies for any confusion

10% rake adds up very quickly. You need to figure out how the games play, it's really impossible for anyone here to let you know the correct answer. If pots are regularly being taken down by a cbet on the flop then 10% rake is going to kill your wr even if it's 1/2 the cap as the 5% game.

If you are playing a nittier style because everyone is a fish and you just wait for a big hand and then pound the pot then the 10% will benefit you because you aren't winning as many pots and you are capping it every time.

Depends so much on how the game plays. As a general rule the more HU pots the better 5% will be. The more multiway pots the better 10% will be.

Rake Is the same BGP

I was replying to twentythrees

Ah I see that now!

I thought he was talking about return, and was wondering why he wanted to know which is worse. I had never seen RoR mean Risk of Ruin and if you go to acronym finder you will find 50+ meanings for ROR and not one of them is Risk of Ruin. Not everyone is as quick as you.

Are you my dad? cuz I feel like I can never do right by you

You're kidding right? If this post is true, you're literally the only person on 2p2 who thinks RoR is something other than risk of Ruin. Not gonna look, but I'm about 102% certain that RoR calcs have been discussed itt in the past.

Nope not kidding. I have never heard/seen the term RoR mean Risk of Ruin. I'm sure it has been used before. I don't believe I have read all 11,599 posts in this thread. Some of us haven't even been on this site for a year.

If I saw it, I'd think rate of return

You also think crossfit is a valid sport.

+1 for Risk of Ruin

Here's a partial HH... MDL 2-5, a few weeks ago. One of the slumber party pros calls flop and turn IP, he's checked to on the river HU on a 973,5,J board, he bets $275 on the river for value, gets called, and his T9o was good.

Don't have to worry about that level of play at the Shoe 1-3.

They don't bet that hand for value @ the Shoe, or call with worse?

Both sides of that hand are pretty alarming.