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Old 09-17-2015, 02:06 PM   #10551
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Old 09-17-2015, 02:17 PM   #10552
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I got put at a 2/5 table on Tuesday where I recognized everyone at the table as a 2/5 reg. I didn't necessarily know the quality of them, as in who is a long-term winner or loser, but I recognized all of them nonetheless. I immediately went to the floor and requested a table change and got moved to a soft table with 2-3 clear marks.

It boggled my mind that reg players seemingly taking the game seriously and playing for profit would willingly stay at a tough(er) table when there were easier fish to fry, pun intended.
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Old 09-17-2015, 02:22 PM   #10553
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I got put at a 2/5 table on Tuesday where I recognized everyone at the table as a 2/5 reg. I didn't necessarily know the quality of them, as in who is a long-term winner or loser, but I recognized all of them nonetheless. I immediately went to the floor and requested a table change and got moved to a soft table with 2-3 clear marks.

It boggled my mind that reg players seemingly taking the game seriously and playing for profit would willingly stay at a tough(er) table when there were easier fish to fry, pun intended.

Because their motivation != your motivation for being there.

Takes time to get it - but quit projecting your mind and thoughts into other people and open up your observation and you will learn why they are there.

Some have nothing else to do
Some like to gamble
Some like the "guy's" environment.. can't talk like that at work or home
Some have been there long enough that it is their social group
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Old 09-17-2015, 02:22 PM   #10554
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I wish I kept stats on this, but my room has been decimated to the point where I'd guess something like 1/2 of my hours this year have been played while there has only been one table running. Lots of these times I've looked around the table, sighed, and said "meh", but I knowingly stay at this poor table because (a) it's my one poker outing this week and I've still got 5 more allotted hours to play (after all, I am just a rec player playing a game) and (b) hopefully the game improves / more tables start running.

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Nothing wrong if you know why you're at a bad table. If there's no other option and you figure it's still worth your time, however you want to measure that, it's a good decision.

I meant people who play in a bad game who could change tables, or people who play in a game they are a dog in whether or not they realize it instead of not playing.
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Old 09-17-2015, 02:23 PM   #10555
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Old 09-17-2015, 02:28 PM   #10556
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Has your giraffe improved or worsened during this time (compared to how it was before)?

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Old 09-17-2015, 02:33 PM   #10557
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Here's the thing.

I play with the same regs all the time, and I understand them better than they do of themselves.

I also know all the big whales, ones that can add bb to your monthly WR.

So on the occasions that I play during weekend, why would I prefer a table full of unknowns?
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Old 09-17-2015, 02:37 PM   #10558
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I can understand if your game is built around strategy of "stack a donk" and pool is big enough, then I can see that it's probably higher EV to play with strangers.
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Old 09-17-2015, 02:40 PM   #10559
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Here's the thing.

I play with the same regs all the time, and I understand them better than they do of themselves.

I also know all the big whales, ones that can add bb to your monthly WR.

So on the occasions that I play during weekend, why would I prefer a table full of unknowns?
Just cuz there's more than one game going doesn't mean there's more unknowns. My room still has outbreaks of 4 or 5 games going; pretty much everyone is a known. I very rarely play with anyone I've never played with before.

I'm simply guessing that your winrate in a room full of 5 tables going at your stakes is >>> your winrate in a room with just 1 table going at your stakes. No?

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Old 09-17-2015, 02:42 PM   #10560
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You mean my loss rate is lower.

I am a losing player playing for the social aspect of the game.
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Old 09-17-2015, 02:49 PM   #10561
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Yes, of course that's what I mean!

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Old 09-17-2015, 03:11 PM   #10562
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I would also assume that if there are more players around, there is higher chance of bigger fish to fry.
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Old 09-17-2015, 03:37 PM   #10563
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I'm running pretty well this last month boys. Fish on a heater!

Edit: got it to work

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Old 09-17-2015, 03:55 PM   #10564
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Lot of regs just don't care. They have jobs / disposable income so it's not a big deal.

But generally speaking yeah it's a big mistake for a live pro to play in reg only games.

They log a few k hours at a solid WR but most likely running above EV. Then their ego gets them- they take lots of time off, they play in reg infested games (which they don't have the proper skill set to win at), they take weekends off and play during non peak hours.

Their true expected bb/hr plummets but they still think they're making 10bb/hr and spending like it too.
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Old 09-17-2015, 03:57 PM   #10565
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LOL...smh. Just flat out wrong.
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Old 09-17-2015, 04:07 PM   #10566
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Love how PonyBoy drops in randomly for one post every 5 months.

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Old 09-17-2015, 04:21 PM   #10567
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Old 09-17-2015, 05:20 PM   #10568
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Because their motivation != your motivation for being there.

Takes time to get it - but quit projecting your mind and thoughts into other people and open up your observation and you will learn why they are there.

Some have nothing else to do
Some like to gamble
Some like the "guy's" environment.. can't talk like that at work or home
Some have been there long enough that it is their social group
Yeah.

I wouldn't discount ego, though. I see a bunch of meh regs playing 2/5 against each other at the mgm and I get the sense that they feel like table changing would be an admission they don't have much of an edge against the other regs, so they stay despite the fact that there's a juicy table right next to them. These are guys who play for a living and who ought to know better, but don't.
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Old 09-17-2015, 05:22 PM   #10569
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At what point should a poker professional look at home ownership?

We have very little debt, the only debt we have is 240/mo on a car. No student loans, no credit card balance or other stuff.

MrsDeadfish makes 30k or so and I expect to bring in roughly the same. We live a pretty comfortable stress free life, obviously more money is better but we are very content and low maintenance. We are not materialistic and are a very pragmatic people.

our rent is currently 850/mo and our expected mortgage is between 500-650.

I currently have about 18k to my named and about 5k would go towards all of the expenses of home purchasing (down, inspection, closing, ect)

That would leave me with about 12k to play the 1/3 and a 1k emergency roll.

What are you thoughts?

Any advice or insight is greatly appreciated!
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Old 09-17-2015, 05:31 PM   #10570
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My answer would be never own a home until you have too because you have too many damn kids to fit elsewhere / need a yard.
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LOL...smh. Just flat out wrong.
The fact that regs don't care or need a job/ disposable income to keep playing?

If you're contesting the latter then I don't know where to begin with you Richard.

As for the former, you've never heard a conversation that goes something like this at an all reg table "so.. who's winning here? Looks like we are all passing money back and forth.*laughter*" NOBODY MOVES.

We are a species of habit. And one regs reasons to be playing might be very very different from a pros
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Old 09-17-2015, 06:14 PM   #10572
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Love how PonyBoy drops in randomly for one post every 5 months.

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Ha. Yeah I'm still playing constantly not sure why I dont post more. I've had some pretty cool hands recently. Have had a gf for about a year now. Out of the hunt unfortunately.


As to playing with regs, I love it. I would gladly sit at a table full of regs at my casino. I know they're bad, and know how they play.
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Old 09-17-2015, 06:38 PM   #10573
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Yeah.

I wouldn't discount ego, though. I see a bunch of meh regs playing 2/5 against each other at the mgm and I get the sense that they feel like table changing would be an admission they don't have much of an edge against the other regs, so they stay despite the fact that there's a juicy table right next to them. These are guys who play for a living and who ought to know better, but don't.

I see this ALL THE TIME
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Old 09-17-2015, 07:02 PM   #10574
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My answer would be never own a home until you have too because you have too many damn kids to fit elsewhere / need a yard.
Plus all that time used chasing those kids off the lawn could be better spent pokering.
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Old 09-17-2015, 07:04 PM   #10575
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Because their motivation != your motivation for being there.

Takes time to get it - but quit projecting your mind and thoughts into other people and open up your observation and you will learn why they are there.

Some have nothing else to do
Some like to gamble
Some like the "guy's" environment.. can't talk like that at work or home
Some have been there long enough that it is their social group
and

Some don't like the idea of moving down, because they are a 2/5, 5/5 player and have moved on from being a 2/3 or 1/2 player. They think they are better than that now and it jolts their self esteem/belief system

Some think they are better than they are and are still a favourite in the tough line up
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