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Old 09-05-2015, 11:15 AM   #10301
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They're not beating the game for a livable wage. They're living in a grindhouseloft with four other guys and eating ramen for all the meals they don't get comped. And perhaps running good too.
does anyone know any of these grindhouses that I can move into?

can contribute 2bb/hr.

Also, is it a reasonable investment to purchase a grindhouse and rent?
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Old 09-05-2015, 12:47 PM   #10302
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They're not beating the game for a livable wage. They're living in a grindhouseloft with four other guys and eating ramen for all the meals they don't get comped. And perhaps running good too.
Bananas are pretty cheap too. New diet....ramen and bananas.
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Old 09-05-2015, 12:59 PM   #10303
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Sorry gents, im sure this has probably been repeated to death!

Im living in the UK and Only have £1k roll atm so want to play 1/1 or 50/1, can reload probs £400 each month from day job, looking for general advice.

The 1/1 games i can get to by train (Dusk till dawn, Leeds, Manchester arent that often 24 hours games, spesh during weekdays (sometimes not even 8-12 hours) when I can play my bulk volume as working all weekend. Would need to stay at hotel if I went DTD for example too.

Can travel to London where 1/2 runs 24hours and can stay at a fellow grinders flat. But obvs gonna have a hyper small roll.

Was winning £16/hour over 300 hours at 1/1 last year in games in portsmouth and southampton if it makes any difference, ive since relocated.

Any advice is appreciated, thanks!
I'm Midlands based, probably able to give best advic for you hereby, pm me.
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Old 09-05-2015, 01:40 PM   #10304
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If the bulk of your table was made up with these type players, how in the hell did you manage a $20+ win rate?
I never said the bulk of my table was made of these players. I said I ran into a lot of them, as in I saw them in the room. If my table was full of them I would table change or casino change. I ran terribly EV wise on the trip, especially yesterday but ran into three fish who saved me. Two hilarious hands that explain this:

1. V is old Hispanic man who calls flop with air/weak pairs and raises turn with his holdings. He just won a 600 pot where he had 99 vs A3 on an A933x board. He has about 1000 in front of him and is not done stacking chips from the last hand. Eff stacks - 350

Everyone limps I check in the bb with Td9d. Flop is 953dxx. I bet 5, only old man calls. Turn is 3x I bet 15, old man raises to 45, I call. River is 9. I check, v goes all in. I call and he says "Do you have a 9? Flips over K5o.

2. V is from Dallas. Will call up to 20 with ATC preflop after he has limped in. Got it all in preflop with QhTh and sucked out on AK. Then built a stack. About 2 hands ago shoved all in over a cbet into a $70 pot. Eff stacks 500.

Limps to me in sb, complete with Jh7h. Flop is 752hxx. I check, v bets 10, 2 callers, I consider folding, because I feel like I'll rarely be good by the river against 3 players but feel like these guys are too bad to fold this deep. Turn is a J. I check, v bets 20, one call, I raise to 100. V shoves, I call. River 4. V shows J6o.

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Old 09-05-2015, 02:07 PM   #10305
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If the bulk of your table was made up with these type players, how in the hell did you manage a $20+ win rate?
I play with the same regs literally every session and I would say 90% of them are losing players, and yet they always come back.

It's quite interesting that people's view is so completely black and white that if you do anything "fishy," they simply discredit you from being a good player.

I always hear "Dickie, you would be a much better player if you don't do this and that."
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Old 09-05-2015, 06:15 PM   #10306
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Don't let Kali Muscle hear you guys talk bad about Top Ramen.

3:38 - 4:19

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Old 09-06-2015, 03:30 AM   #10307
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I'm Midlands based, probably able to give best advic for you hereby, pm me.
Cheers mate, pm'd you!
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Old 09-06-2015, 05:31 AM   #10308
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Don't let Kali Muscle hear you guys talk bad about Top Ramen.

3:38 - 4:19

I enjoyed that, right up to the bit where he said he doesn't do steroids
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Old 09-06-2015, 05:40 AM   #10309
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Yeah, he definitely uses steroids but still enjoyed the video.
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Old 09-06-2015, 06:59 PM   #10310
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The idea that some regulars were losing players completely eluded me when I first started playing poker, but it is most certainly the case. It is the case at all levels, not just 1/2. In fact, many bigger games revolve around a few losing regulars.

The crazy thing is that some of these regulars are seemingly "grinding" with their headphones on and their face in their tablet while they wait for Aces but even many of these nitty players are still losing players (or very marginal winners).
nitty small to medium losing players are the backbone of the midstakes economy
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Old 09-06-2015, 07:04 PM   #10311
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this week was cool for me. played 31 hour won 80/h started tracking again even though I told myself it's pointless just because I want something tangible to look back on in a year or however long.

I also had my first strategy article released today for a local online news site and it will be a once a week poker column so I'm looking forward to that

oh and I also won like 80$ on acr sold my balance to my friend and bought pizza
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Old 09-06-2015, 11:34 PM   #10312
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I've only started playing 1/2 live seriously for 2 months, once a week. After 60 hours (small sample, I know) across 7 sessions I'm at $48/hr. Built my BR to $2200 from an initial $200 in seed money.
After 156 hours, I'm now at $4600. Averaging $29.30/hr.
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Old 09-07-2015, 04:48 AM   #10313
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Just put together my first 5k week over 3 sessions (2/5, 2/5, 1/3). BR ~20k
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Old 09-07-2015, 05:11 AM   #10314
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Jesus Christ we got 15bb/hr and 5k weeks in here.

Awesome.
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Old 09-07-2015, 05:29 AM   #10315
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FWIW there's a guy in the travel section complaining that he is no longer allowed to sit in his local game. The main reason given for why is:
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But eventually they said that players don't want to play with me coz i quit too soon after i win
So yeah it's your right to leave whenever you want, but well yeah....

Edit: Having said that, I had my first hit and run in years about a week ago. I was racking up, doubled through a guy and left the next hand. Someone asked me "seriously going to leave?" I was already racking up bruh, couldn't be helped.

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Old 09-07-2015, 12:05 PM   #10316
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I moved a seat away from a 2/5 reg-whale yesterday, and he asked me, do I stink? He then whispered something next to another whale reg and later asked me why am I looking at his huge stack....

I was being positionally optimal, but I know I can beat this idiot regardless of him being IP or OOP, and am starting to think maybe making him uncomfortable is less EV than being IP to him? We had a great rapport going, just jabbering back an forth like two idiots..

What do you think? Do you think blatantly moving and keeping IP of the reg-whales is foolish?
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Old 09-07-2015, 12:45 PM   #10317
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Not foolish at all. Just need to cover your tracks a little better...

Just tell him seat X is your lucky seat or you're card dead or something. There are plenty of fish who move for ridiculous reasons and announce it to the whole table, just use one of those
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Old 09-07-2015, 01:29 PM   #10318
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Not foolish at all. Just need to cover your tracks a little better...

Just tell him seat X is your lucky seat or you're card dead or something. There are plenty of fish who move for ridiculous reasons and announce it to the whole table, just use one of those
This is good.

I use alot of camo when im doing stuff like this. Im young and kind of have a hotshot kind of image so people are already naturally leary of me but I setup things early on by doing or saying certain silly things and nonsense.

Its hard to convince people your all of a sudden a superstitious gambler if you've been sitting there withyour backpack and hoody/headphones (not saying this is you)
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Old 09-07-2015, 01:47 PM   #10319
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This is good.

I use alot of camo when im doing stuff like this. Im young and kind of have a hotshot kind of image so people are already naturally leary of me but I setup things early on by doing or saying certain silly things and nonsense.

Its hard to convince people your all of a sudden a superstitious gambler if you've been sitting there withyour backpack and hoody/headphones (not saying this is you)
True. Any move out of the 1 or 9/10 seat is easy to justify. Getting hit by the dealer, kneeing the damn box, etc. Those seats suck.

A good reason that even a grinder-looking player can use is a better view at a TV.
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Old 09-07-2015, 01:51 PM   #10320
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This is good.

I use alot of camo when im doing stuff like this. Im young and kind of have a hotshot kind of image so people are already naturally leary of me but I setup things early on by doing or saying certain silly things and nonsense.

Its hard to convince people your all of a sudden a superstitious gambler if you've been sitting there withyour backpack and hoody/headphones (not saying this is you)
What are some of the things you say bro?
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Old 09-07-2015, 03:28 PM   #10321
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What are some of the things you say bro?
- moving to favorite seat
- card dead
- better view of tv
- hate sitting at 1 or 9/10 seat
- hate sitting in middle of table (works especially well if you are a bigger person)
- better view of women walking by (obv if it makes sense that this would work)
- seat X is getting all the cards (if a guy who was getting good cards racks up and leaves and happens to be to the left of fish)
- better view of entrance because you're waiting for someone
- all the money is going to one end of the table, so i want to be on that end

basically just make up any reason. no one is going to grill you on it and if anyone keeps asking questions just say you werent comfortable in your old seat. i've never seen anyone ask more than a simple question as to why we moved so i wouldnt get too worried about it.

lets not forget, most of these players are level 0-1 thinkers anyway, they're gonna completely forget about you 3 hands after you move...
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Old 09-07-2015, 04:28 PM   #10322
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I always say "I got a good feeling about this one"
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Old 09-07-2015, 04:49 PM   #10323
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The seat-change-justification lines are transparent and patronizing FYI.
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Old 09-07-2015, 05:21 PM   #10324
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The seat-change-justification lines are transparent and patronizing FYI.
Yes. It's much better for the game if you answer "I want relative position on you."
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Old 09-07-2015, 05:26 PM   #10325
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I don't get the problem with hitting and running at all. Sure if you are bad at playing deep then it is in your best interest to get up. That being said, the terrible players that hit and run are going to lose their money regardless. Sure, they are probably going to lose it faster with a deep stack but either way it isn't much difference to me. If someone doubles up and leaves, the next time they come to the table they may drop their next 4 buyins.

If you are in a large room then hitting and running shouldn't be an issue at all. It's in the small player pools when you play with the same players over and over that it can be a big problem for some but even then it can be smoothed over by befriending the other players.
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