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Old 09-03-2015, 08:39 PM   #10276
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You could go cheaper on the food (unless you are getting all that with food stamps in which case it is a non-factor). You could also sell that fancy schmancy vehicle of yours. Let us not forget that you still have enough time for another job you lazy bum!
the hell you talkin' bout?

we probably spend less then 300 a month for food and I drive a early 2000s hybrid!

As far as another job goes......

EDIT: there is no note on my car
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Old 09-03-2015, 08:44 PM   #10277
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the hell you talkin' bout?

we probably spend less then 300 a month for food and I drive a early 2000s hybrid!

As far as another job goes......

EDIT: there is no note on my car
PROBABLY?!?! Probably? I can't work with someone that deals in probablies. Cut your food budget in half and sell that foofoo weaniemobile. When's the last time you had to replace the battery? This may be more dire than it initially appeared.
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Old 09-03-2015, 08:48 PM   #10278
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PROBABLY?!?! Probably? I can't work with someone that deals in probablies. Cut your food budget in half and sell that foofoo weaniemobile. When's the last time you had to replace the battery? This may be more dire than it initially appeared.
In my defense the "probably" is only because I bought a ton of food on sale a few months back and I have not been able to accurately calculate what we eat as I still have food I purchased months ago so we've been spending 30-40 bucks a week the past two months.

I've never had to replace the battery and HOW WOULD I GET TO THE CASINO?

I LIVE IN A HIGH CRIME AREA! (low property value FTW)

You want me to WALK? I CANT EVEN BENCH MY OWN BODYWEIGHT!
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Old 09-03-2015, 09:55 PM   #10279
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Just get better at poker. **** a budget
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Old 09-03-2015, 10:19 PM   #10280
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Just get better at poker. **** a budget
Well yeah duh, but I need my money to last long enough so that I can figure out how to play this game.

Its like a race to get good before my money runs out.
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Old 09-03-2015, 10:20 PM   #10281
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This is so true.
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Old 09-03-2015, 10:34 PM   #10282
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It's fun to say that but great poker players go broke all the time. There aren't stakes high enough to compensate for overspending.
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Old 09-03-2015, 10:45 PM   #10283
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It's fun to say that but great poker players go broke all the time. There aren't stakes high enough to compensate for overspending.
this is very true and it's the same in a lot of industries. In my business, I come across a load of executives who have been earning really good $$ for many years. All of a sudden, they lose their job and can't find another one because they are too old/too expensive/not good enough to command the $$ they were on previously etc etc and a lot of them are ****ed because they haven't been putting enough $$ away and have been spending like drunken sailors on shore leave

spending less than you earn at whatever income level you're at is super important. of course it's far easier if you're earning 250k than it is if you're earning 25k, but the principle is the same and so you have to aim for a $$ buffer in case things go bad and ensure you don't get yourself used to a lifestyle that is only available in your best case scenario
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Old 09-03-2015, 10:46 PM   #10284
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Well yeah duh, but I need my money to last long enough so that I can figure out how to play this game.

Its like a race to get good before my money runs out.
Just out of curiosity, if you can't save 3 cents of every dollar of income, where did your poker bankroll come from?
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Old 09-03-2015, 10:54 PM   #10285
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Old 09-03-2015, 10:59 PM   #10286
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Well yeah duh, but I need my money to last long enough so that I can figure out how to play this game.

Its like a race to get good before my money runs out.

This might be my new favorite poker quote
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Old 09-03-2015, 11:25 PM   #10287
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Politard warning. Discussing finances fine. Discussing how finances should be for everyone, not fine.
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Old 09-03-2015, 11:30 PM   #10288
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Politard warning. Discussing finances fine. Discussing how finances should be for everyone, not fine.
What about discussing the proper ratio of finances spent on hookers vs. blow?
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Old 09-04-2015, 05:44 AM   #10289
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Nobody is ever under any obligation to spend more or less time at the table then they want because other players consider it poor etiquette.

Anyway, I took a few more shots at 5/10 and 2/5. Lost another bullet at 5/10 2nd session, then in my 3rd session last week I bought in for $700 ran it up to 3k, then 5 handed lost 2k set over set. Still ended up +$300 despite the gross cooler.

The next day I had a $1400 day at 1/2, winning 2 huge pots with a set. If any of you read the thread I posted about my other huge set over set pot I lost, then this one makes me even more sick because I think I could have folded again and it made me so paranoid the next day.

1st one, I open to $9 in EP with 77, utg+3 minraises to $20, +4 flats the $20, sb flats.
Flop comes 7-8-10 rainbow. I check, utg+3 leads for $30, utg+4 minraises to $60, sb folds and I shove for ~$200.
He snapcalls me and my instant reaction is "****, do you really have tens??". You know, because my shove looks really strong and I didn't expect to get snapped by T-9 or JJ. He had aces.

Next one I squeeze in sb straddled pots with TT for $30. UTG calls and BTN calls.
J-T-6 flop, two clubs. Lead flop for $60, both call. Lead brick turn for $180, UTG who is an older and pretty tight player INSTAshoves for $350. BTN calls off remaining $100
and I puke and say "Jesus christ you must have jacks"... you know, because I thought he was tight and I'm repping like KK+ here? Well, he had queens. (I called of course)

Anyway, I can tell when I'm playing 5/10 that I'm not really playing my A game that I am at 1/2. Value betting thin... checkraising wider ranges, 3betting light, etc. I do have 30 buy-ins but the money does kinda matter at that point whereas 1/2 just feels like chips to me. I might just stick to 1/2 and wait till I can transition into 2/5 once I turn 21 and can play at different casinos.

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Old 09-04-2015, 07:03 AM   #10290
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If you don't have 3 to 6 months of living expenses saved up then you really aren't making ends meet and certainly shouldn't be spending money on any extras/entertainment until you have saved this up.

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Old 09-04-2015, 09:13 AM   #10291
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That's enough. Posts deleted, and one that was insulting infracted. Further politarding ITT will get infracted, even if it isn't insulting.
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Old 09-04-2015, 06:11 PM   #10292
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Nobody is ever under any obligation to spend more or less time at the table then they want because other players consider it poor etiquette.

Anyway, I took a few more shots at 5/10 and 2/5. Lost another bullet at 5/10 2nd session, then in my 3rd session last week I bought in for $700 ran it up to 3k, then 5 handed lost 2k set over set. Still ended up +$300 despite the gross cooler.

The next day I had a $1400 day at 1/2, winning 2 huge pots with a set. If any of you read the thread I posted about my other huge set over set pot I lost, then this one makes me even more sick because I think I could have folded again and it made me so paranoid the next day.

1st one, I open to $9 in EP with 77, utg+3 minraises to $20, +4 flats the $20, sb flats.
Flop comes 7-8-10 rainbow. I check, utg+3 leads for $30, utg+4 minraises to $60, sb folds and I shove for ~$200.
He snapcalls me and my instant reaction is "****, do you really have tens??". You know, because my shove looks really strong and I didn't expect to get snapped by T-9 or JJ. He had aces.

Next one I squeeze in sb straddled pots with TT for $30. UTG calls and BTN calls.
J-T-6 flop, two clubs. Lead flop for $60, both call. Lead brick turn for $180, UTG who is an older and pretty tight player INSTAshoves for $350. BTN calls off remaining $100
and I puke and say "Jesus christ you must have jacks"... you know, because I thought he was tight and I'm repping like KK+ here? Well, he had queens. (I called of course)

Anyway, I can tell when I'm playing 5/10 that I'm not really playing my A game that I am at 1/2. Value betting thin... checkraising wider ranges, 3betting light, etc. I do have 30 buy-ins but the money does kinda matter at that point whereas 1/2 just feels like chips to me. I might just stick to 1/2 and wait till I can transition into 2/5 once I turn 21 and can play at different casinos.
Going straight to 5/10 after 1-2 is sick, waiting until you can transition to 2/5 then maybe 5/10 is the best route imo, poker will always be there.

How old are you?
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Old 09-04-2015, 09:34 PM   #10293
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bolded 1: it's not their money anymore. it belongs to whomever stack it resides in.

bolded 2: i fail to see how explaining anything makes it better. you won his money and you're leaving. whether you played for the previous 10 minutes or previous 10 hours is inconsequential.

leave when you want to leave. you don't have to answer to anyone at the table (unless you're wife is there, you have to answer to her)
This is a bad attitude to have. Especially if youre playing juicy home games. Your job as a pro is to facilitate a fun gambling environment. Hit and running or leaving shortly after a big pot is bad in the long run. The fish need hope so they come back.

Dont destroy their hope!

I guess in casinos this is not as important as home games but the same principle remains.

If u win a big pot and have a big chunk of your roll on the table and cant.risk playing more...just fold every hand blind for thirty minutes but remain chummy with your customers.

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Old 09-05-2015, 05:07 AM   #10294
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So I just got done with a week of grinding 1/2 in Vegas. Ran at $20.86 per hour over 70 hours. People who play there for a living, help me understand. I ran into a lot of regulars who were in the poker room what seemed to be 24/7, all of whom were terrible. Many just played on their tablets all session. I have to imagine though that some of these players, especially the younger ones were playing for a living. Are these guys actually beating the game for a livable wage or is it just a matter of time before they're busted for good?
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Old 09-05-2015, 07:10 AM   #10295
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I always thought the younger ones were the ones with jobs just no hobby besides poker and the old guys were retired and pension/SS/poker were the only ways their money moved.
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Old 09-05-2015, 07:36 AM   #10296
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The idea that some regulars were losing players completely eluded me when I first started playing poker, but it is most certainly the case. It is the case at all levels, not just 1/2. In fact, many bigger games revolve around a few losing regulars.

The crazy thing is that some of these regulars are seemingly "grinding" with their headphones on and their face in their tablet while they wait for Aces but even many of these nitty players are still losing players (or very marginal winners).
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So I just got done with a week of grinding 1/2 in Vegas. Ran at $20.86 per hour over 70 hours. People who play there for a living, help me understand. I ran into a lot of regulars who were in the poker room what seemed to be 24/7, all of whom were terrible. Many just played on their tablets all session. I have to imagine though that some of these players, especially the younger ones were playing for a living. Are these guys actually beating the game for a livable wage or is it just a matter of time before they're busted for good?
If the bulk of your table was made up with these type players, how in the hell did you manage a $20+ win rate?
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Old 09-05-2015, 09:48 AM   #10298
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Sorry gents, im sure this has probably been repeated to death!

Im living in the UK and Only have £1k roll atm so want to play 1/1 or 50/1, can reload probs £400 each month from day job, looking for general advice.

The 1/1 games i can get to by train (Dusk till dawn, Leeds, Manchester arent that often 24 hours games, spesh during weekdays (sometimes not even 8-12 hours) when I can play my bulk volume as working all weekend. Would need to stay at hotel if I went DTD for example too.

Can travel to London where 1/2 runs 24hours and can stay at a fellow grinders flat. But obvs gonna have a hyper small roll.

Was winning £16/hour over 300 hours at 1/1 last year in games in portsmouth and southampton if it makes any difference, ive since relocated.

Any advice is appreciated, thanks!
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Old 09-05-2015, 10:47 AM   #10299
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Sorry gents, im sure this has probably been repeated to death!

Im living in the UK and Only have £1k roll atm so want to play 1/1 or 50/1, can reload probs £400 each month from day job, looking for general advice.

The 1/1 games i can get to by train (Dusk till dawn, Leeds, Manchester arent that often 24 hours games, spesh during weekdays (sometimes not even 8-12 hours) when I can play my bulk volume as working all weekend. Would need to stay at hotel if I went DTD for example too.

Can travel to London where 1/2 runs 24hours and can stay at a fellow grinders flat. But obvs gonna have a hyper small roll.

Was winning £16/hour over 300 hours at 1/1 last year in games in portsmouth and southampton if it makes any difference, ive since relocated.

Any advice is appreciated, thanks!
whats the rake structure, buy in structure and beatability of these games? whats a room gonna cost?
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So I just got done with a week of grinding 1/2 in Vegas. Ran at $20.86 per hour over 70 hours. People who play there for a living, help me understand. I ran into a lot of regulars who were in the poker room what seemed to be 24/7, all of whom were terrible. Many just played on their tablets all session. I have to imagine though that some of these players, especially the younger ones were playing for a living. Are these guys actually beating the game for a livable wage or is it just a matter of time before they're busted for good?
They're not beating the game for a livable wage. They're living in a grindhouseloft with four other guys and eating ramen for all the meals they don't get comped. And perhaps running good too.
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