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Old 09-02-2015, 12:31 PM   #10226
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Johnny, is that you?
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Old 09-02-2015, 12:32 PM   #10227
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Hey all back to update for August.

I made a post a few pages back about a dismal summer I was having. I decided to take a month and not look at my graph or stats at all and just focus on playing my best everyday. Well today I finally looked at my results for the month and was happy with what I saw.

August 15: $3003 profit over 91 hours ($33/hr).

I play mostly 1/2nl (150bb BI) and sometimes 2/5nl (200bb BI). This month I only played about 10 hrs of 2/5 so it didn't throw the stats too far in either direction. Feeling pretty good about my results considering I had a $1300 loss at 1/2 while getting ran over in a deep whale infested game about 3/4 through the month.

First session of sept went great with a $1250 win at the morning 1/2game over hours.
Nice job keep it up. 90hrs. If you have a job on top of that holy cow that's a lot.
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Old 09-02-2015, 12:57 PM   #10228
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Worst color scheme ever for chips?

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The $2's hide well in a rack of $5's.

Not as bad as MDL where the $2's are similar to $25's.
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Old 09-02-2015, 01:09 PM   #10229
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Do we still think 40bis + 6 month life expenses is an adeqaute fulltime BR?
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Old 09-02-2015, 01:12 PM   #10230
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Do we still think 40bis + 6 month life expenses is an adeqaute fulltime BR?

Sounds like plenty to me.
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Old 09-02-2015, 01:22 PM   #10231
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But how much did u lose?
$20

Some guy I saw get felted earlier in the night stalked me to the cage asking for gas money to get back to NYC. That good karma should be worth a few extra sets this month.
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Old 09-02-2015, 01:22 PM   #10232
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I just moved to Philly so I've only gotten a chance to play at Sugarhouse. How is Parx? I figured there'd be more drunk inner city clowns at Sugarhouse, but apparently johnny is cleaning up at parx
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Old 09-02-2015, 01:25 PM   #10233
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Sounds like plenty to me.
Sounds like it's too much.

IMO, size of BR has more to do with psyche than anything else. Some people need a large number to feel less of the day-to-day fluctuation, some are ok with less.
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Old 09-02-2015, 01:27 PM   #10234
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Do we still think 40bis + 6 month life expenses is an adeqaute fulltime BR?
For me to turn Pro I would:

1. Need 15 months living expenses. Being retired military my med insurance is only $35 pr month & cars are paid for.

2. 70 buyins, or 35k to play 2/5.

I know a guy who swings from -3k to +5k over a 2/3 week period. I would want to be able to sit down & play poker without thinking "money", only "Is it +Ev or -Ev" even after grinding through 4 months of a bad run where profit, if any, is minimal.

"Pro" means your primary source of income is from playing poker.
Moneymaker is no longer a "Pro" as he makes more money working for Hollywood Casino chain than he does playing poker.
http://www.wsop.com/players/playerpr...p?playerID=129
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Old 09-02-2015, 01:30 PM   #10235
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Swing from negative to positive is much more common and easier than the other way, reason being that everyone can afford to do it.

Not so much the other way around, and most people would simply take a break.
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Old 09-02-2015, 01:34 PM   #10236
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Do we still think 40bis + 6 month life expenses is an adeqaute fulltime BR?
I would amend your statement to say that 4000 big blinds + 6 month life expenses is an adequate fulltime BR ASSUMING that you put in decent volume and have a solid winrate. I don't like using buyins for BRM purposes (big blinds is more relevant)
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Old 09-02-2015, 04:43 PM   #10237
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Honestly, everyone should have an emergency fund of at least 3 to 6 months of expenses regardless of what they do for a living, so realistically a poker pro should probably have 9 to 12 months of living expenses.
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Old 09-02-2015, 06:14 PM   #10238
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Somehow the context was lost...

Skill level of your opponents is relative.

My comment was directed at players that are crushing 1/2 at ~10bb/hr, or as you would call them, best 1/2 players in the room.

For them, skill gap that would take to beat either game at similar dollar amount is small.
Didn't realise it was you who made original comment. Youre most probably right about skill level relativity. Will say though that my own win rate at 1/2 is 12bb/hr while at 5/5 it's pretty much exactly the same $$ amount. I feel like I need a 'good' table at 5/5 to be +ev whereas I believe I can beat any 1/2 table easily

Maybe I haven't adjusted properly to the bigger game or perhaps my 1/2 environment was particularly soft?
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Old 09-02-2015, 09:49 PM   #10239
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I just moved to Philly so I've only gotten a chance to play at Sugarhouse. How is Parx? I figured there'd be more drunk inner city clowns at Sugarhouse, but apparently johnny is cleaning up at parx
yeah, you should definitely go to parx and not sugarhouse.

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Old 09-02-2015, 09:50 PM   #10240
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Jesus you guys are the most unobservant people ever.

arn't you guys supposed to be poker players?

clearly 2/5, look at the blinds.
you've never seen people post those chips at $1/$2 or $1/$3? nothing is clearly.
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Old 09-02-2015, 10:29 PM   #10241
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just caught the misspelling but it's a nothing statement to say people should have savings.
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Old 09-02-2015, 10:57 PM   #10242
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gather around boys and girls. i have a story to share in the morning. it is a tale that chronicles patience, determination, guile and majestic dragons.

Great job JB!

But, why u hiding ur big chips?
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Old 09-02-2015, 11:14 PM   #10243
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My August giraffe:



Other than those two days in the middle of the month, probably my best or second-best month as a lolpro.
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Old 09-02-2015, 11:36 PM   #10244
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Other than those two days in the middle of the month, probably my best or second-best month as a lolpro.
Well done. 500nl or volatile 200nl game?
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Old 09-02-2015, 11:51 PM   #10245
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Thanks.

Mostly $1/$3. I buyin for $300.
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Old 09-02-2015, 11:56 PM   #10246
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Great job JB!

But, why u hiding ur big chips?
Thanks. The big chips WERE in front, but when you suddenly find yourself in possession of another $1000 in mostly red chips, you clear them from the middle as quickly as possible. I was just getting them out of the way so the dealer could deal the next hand.

I didn't really play another hand after this. I just sat around for an orbit and then bounced.
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Old 09-03-2015, 03:36 AM   #10247
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Don't hit and run bro.
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Old 09-03-2015, 05:54 AM   #10248
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But, a couple typical things that winning players can do to boost their winrate 1 or 2 BB per hour:
I don't think these will be specific to winning players.

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1) does your room offer any cash back promos? One of my rooms let's me cash in reward points based on hours of play. It's not much, but it's something.
Doesn't affect your winrate.

Also, you forego what you would have spent it on. Were you going to use it on a buffet? Instead of 1 of your meals being free this week/month/etc, now it's not free but you do have more cash than you would otherwise. You need to compare those. Zane Beadles probably benefits from the free buffet more. The woman from The Shining probably doesn't get a great value from the free buffet. #OverUnder0.5ShelleyDuvallReferences

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2) can you find one hand per hour where you can steal the blinds from button rather than let the sb and bb chop? if you can, that's $3 per hour right there.
Yeah, if it works 100% of the time.

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3) can you find one spot per session where you can value bet thin rather than check the river? Example, last night, there was one hand where I had second pair on a K hi board at river but I was really sure that villain hand an under pair and would fold to any real show of strength. The pot was like $70 at the river and I led out for $10 OOP and was called.
Also dependent on how often it works.
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Old 09-03-2015, 06:01 AM   #10249
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Jesus you guys are the most unobservant people ever.

arn't you guys supposed to be poker players?

clearly 2/5, look at the blinds.
It can be $2-5 or anything smaller. It just can't be anything bigger.
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Old 09-03-2015, 06:01 AM   #10250
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Honestly, everyone should have an emergency fund of at least 3 to 6 months of expenses regardless of what they do for a living
So if you don't, just get more money?
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