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Old 08-27-2015, 04:30 PM   #10126
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FWIW, I always buy in for 100 BB's only. I just thought table dynamics (and perhaps frustration tilt and expecting mean reversion) dictated topping off to the table max.

At this point, I wanna see if I can turn a -$3000 month as of 8/25 into a positive month from just 1/2.
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Old 08-27-2015, 04:36 PM   #10127
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FWIW, I always buy in for 100 BB's only. I just thought table dynamics (and perhaps frustration tilt and expecting mean reversion) dictated topping off to the table max.

At this point, I wanna see if I can turn a -$3000 month as of 8/25 into a positive month from just 1/2.
Tilt still going strong
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Old 08-27-2015, 04:43 PM   #10128
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Tilt still going strong
Setting a short-term goal is not synonymous with chasing losses

If it happens, it happens. If it doesn't, it doesn't
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Old 08-27-2015, 04:54 PM   #10129
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And what a realistic short term goal it is, one that is not at all influenced by your recent poor results.
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Old 08-27-2015, 04:58 PM   #10130
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I appreciate your concern, but don't you have a bridge to get back to hiding under?
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Old 08-27-2015, 05:18 PM   #10131
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While the posts were a little trolly, the idea of having a 1500 bb monetary goal with a 6-day limit is probably not realistic.

Also, "ludicrosity" is a word.
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Old 08-27-2015, 05:26 PM   #10132
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There's only what, 96 hours left in August?

Even if you played 24 hours a day you'd have to crush to hit that.


I'll take the under on that bet.
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Old 08-27-2015, 05:27 PM   #10133
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Yo JB,

I´d be happy to draw cards or flip for it, if that would help you out...
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Old 08-27-2015, 05:27 PM   #10134
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While the posts were a little trolly, the idea of having a 1500 bb monetary goal with a 6-day limit is probably not realistic.

Also, "ludicrosity" is a word.
Agreed. It's a perfectly cromulent word.
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Old 08-27-2015, 05:41 PM   #10135
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And yes, I realize that ludicrousy is not technically a real word but ludicrousness sounds dumb and lunacy doesn't quite capture what I am trying to say.

I enjoyed reading this paragraph.
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Old 08-27-2015, 05:53 PM   #10136
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Win $750, double up betting black.

Repeat.
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Old 08-27-2015, 07:40 PM   #10137
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Agreed. Any win rate has attainiousness in the pits.
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Old 08-27-2015, 07:42 PM   #10138
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Hey guys quick update.

Still grinding the 1/2nl day games and the weekend evening games. Putting in 30-60hr per week. Monday's and Tuesday's have not been good as the games have been breaking and not lasting the night like usual, so I have been using these days to play online review and relax.
After a completely breakeven Vegas trip,
Summer hasn't been great so far. A lot of long stretches with no big momentum gains. Unfortunately, I had a small stretch over a few days of run bad getting AA and KK AIPF and not holding up. These small bad variance points are maybe the worst part of live poker vs online. The loss of volume in live pokers can really crush your soul when you hit a bad stretch.

Have been lucky enough to get 2/5 games started mid day with one whale and a bunch of scared money 1/2 players before the rest of the 2/5+ pool shows up - which has been really great for building confidence and getting used to playing higher more often. Have been doing well in these games which helps a lot.

Since the last month was pretty tough, I decided to still track all results (as I have for the last 3k hrs) but not LOOK at any graphs or monthly stats for August. I find that looking at the graphs etc makes the highs feel better and the lows feel worse. Also, having that idea in the back of your head of how the month is going to the dollar can sometime affect me as much as I try to ignore it. I'm really looking forward to seeing my stats at the month end of August and I will post it here.
Thanks
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Old 08-28-2015, 03:25 AM   #10139
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After some of the worst run bad in my life (funny how happens when you move up), I'm going back to 1/2 and 1/3 for at least a month or two to work on some things and get my confidence back up.
Moving down to regain confidence is definitely a good idea. I have had to do this at least once that I can recall.

However, you probably should not force yourself to stay there for a fixed amount of time. Once you feel good about your game again and your bankroll is ready for it, give it maybe 1 or 2 more sessions and then move back up.
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Old 08-28-2015, 04:40 AM   #10140
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Cash games aren't entirely different than mtts in the topping off/rebuying department. If you're on your last bullet of the night I'd avoid taking small edge spots because the risk of ruin is like a mtt, the night is done. Same with topping off, sometimes the table dynamics make for wanting to play a 75BB stack instead of 100BB, do that for a while, and you can double and table change or table change then top off.
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Old 08-28-2015, 09:22 AM   #10141
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Two sessions in and I'm giving myself a fighting chance at Operation 3000. Putting the team on my back to close out the month

8/25: +620 (5 hours, $124/hr)
8/27: +665 (7 hours, $95/hr)

I'll probably get 2-3 more sessions in before month end so I gotta average $570 per for three or $850 per for two
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Old 08-28-2015, 09:47 AM   #10142
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Old 08-28-2015, 11:04 AM   #10143
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I wonder if those of you who are saying don't move down or don't stay long are making assumptions based upon your own local room that may not apply everywhere.

First of all, we obviously need to pay attention to our psychological bankroll as well as the actual bankroll.

But after that, shouldn't we be saying it depends? Some 1-2 rooms are filled with short stacking weak tight players. Moving up to 2-5 is pretty key in spots like that. But other people report pretty enviable WR's at 1-2 and 1-3 in their rooms.

Obviously Johnnyb will figure out what's best for him over time. But I'm curious why some people seem to be assuming that the answer must be 2-5 for him right now.
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Old 08-28-2015, 11:11 AM   #10144
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10bb/hr in 1/2 is $20 while 5bb/hr in 2/5 is $25.

I see it all the time - people move up to 5/10 and think they need to buy in max and do few other things so they can appear to fit in and not look weak and out of place.
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Old 08-28-2015, 11:18 AM   #10145
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I wonder if those of you who are saying don't move down or don't stay long are making assumptions based upon your own local room that may not apply everywhere.

First of all, we obviously need to pay attention to our psychological bankroll as well as the actual bankroll.

But after that, shouldn't we be saying it depends? Some 1-2 rooms are filled with short stacking weak tight players. Moving up to 2-5 is pretty key in spots like that. But other people report pretty enviable WR's at 1-2 and 1-3 in their rooms.

Obviously Johnnyb will figure out what's best for him over time. But I'm curious why some people seem to be assuming that the answer must be 2-5 for him right now.
Last time I checked he's making $100/hr.
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Old 08-28-2015, 11:28 AM   #10146
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10bb/hr in 1/2 is $20 while 5bb/hr in 2/5 is $25.

And 2bb/hr in 10/25 is $50.
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Old 08-28-2015, 11:30 AM   #10147
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And 2bb/hr in 10/25 is $50.
Skill gap between 1/2 and 2/5 is minimal.
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Old 08-28-2015, 11:52 AM   #10148
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Skill gap between 1/2 and 2/5 is minimal.
In rooms where I felt that wasn't the case, I don't have the sample size to confidently argue the point.
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Old 08-28-2015, 11:56 AM   #10149
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If you're a crusher in 1/2 at 10bb/hr, it shouldn't be hard to move up and beat the game for 5bb/hr.

But of course if you're just breaking even in 1/2, then 2/5 would seem out of reach.
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Old 08-28-2015, 11:59 AM   #10150
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Don't forget relative rake goes down @2/5 too.

And buying in for 100bb doesn't mean you play 6 hr session at 100bb... you can play deep with other people's money.
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