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Old 08-12-2015, 03:29 PM   #9976
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My *guess* would be two pots per hour (fair assumption?) x $2 extra = $4 per hour off the winrate at this increase, give or take.

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*shrug* seems high to me, but idk, I've never charted hand by hand live results, and I don't know off the top of my head how many hours one would need to chart for a reasonable sample.

I'd guess softness of games and stack depth can easily make up for a couple of extra bucks of rake.
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Old 08-12-2015, 03:34 PM   #9977
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I agree, seems like a very good point. Jacksonville FL rakes $2 if you take down the blinds preflop at 2-5 and their full $5+$2 rake hits at $40 pot. From my lol sample size of 4 long sessions there, pro/table ratio looked really low.
And they charge for everything including soda. No comps. No casino. No valet.
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Old 08-12-2015, 03:38 PM   #9978
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I am happy to report that after 161 hours of 2/5 this year, I am making 38 cents per hour, which does make me a confirmed winner.

I am however preparing to send my resume to a sweatshop, so I can get a raise.
On the bright side, cooler somebody in your next hand for 100bb's and you'll increase your WR for the period by nearly 1000%.
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Old 08-12-2015, 03:40 PM   #9979
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Win rate for last 13hrs or so of 200nl (since Aug 4th) has been $216.48/hr. Is this sustainable?
As long as you're willing to put your thumb on the scale, yes!
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Old 08-12-2015, 04:09 PM   #9980
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On the bright side, cooler somebody in your next hand for 100bb's and you'll increase your WR for the period by nearly 1000%.
Can confirm, this is an incredible way to boost your win rate.
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Old 08-12-2015, 04:25 PM   #9981
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I'd guess softness of games and stack depth can easily make up for a couple of extra bucks of rake.
It's kinda sickening to think of the extra money being taken off the table with *just* a $2 increase in rake. Over a 8 hour session, that's upwards of ~$480 extra money that we don't have available to be won.

But yeah, softness of games is the key to how big of an affect this has.

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Old 08-12-2015, 04:44 PM   #9982
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How much does having your girlfriend rail your sessions take off your hourly?
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Old 08-12-2015, 04:47 PM   #9983
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How much does having your girlfriend rail your sessions take off your hourly?

Lose/lose. Either she flips the doom switch and "you" lose or she sees how much "we" won.
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Old 08-12-2015, 05:14 PM   #9984
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Lose/lose. Either she flips the doom switch and "you" lose or she sees how much "we" won.
Flip all day and never win.
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Old 08-12-2015, 05:24 PM   #9985
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Lose/lose. Either she flips the doom switch and "you" lose or she sees how much "we" won.
lol so true
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Old 08-12-2015, 05:27 PM   #9986
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It's kinda sickening to think of the extra money being taken off the table with *just* a $2 increase in rake. Over a 8 hour session, that's upwards of ~$480 extra money that we don't have available to be won.



But yeah, softness of games is the key to how big of an affect this has.



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I have a complete appreciation for the impact of rake... But... A little while back my rooms bbj hi for roughly 1/2million. Next day the bbj was at over 1/2million. That's 1 million that was in the reserves that was no longer in play in the local poker economy. Imagine if they dropped $1m in the middle of the room to add to everyone's bankroll... Fish and crushers and everyone in between.
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Old 08-12-2015, 05:47 PM   #9987
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I have a complete appreciation for the impact of rake... But... A little while back my rooms bbj hi for roughly 1/2million. Next day the bbj was at over 1/2million. That's 1 million that was in the reserves that was no longer in play in the local poker economy. Imagine if they dropped $1m in the middle of the room to add to everyone's bankroll... Fish and crushers and everyone in between.
One of the biggest ever BBJs in our room was hit by an out-of-towner.

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Old 08-12-2015, 05:49 PM   #9988
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One of the biggest ever BBJs in our room was hit by an out-of-towner.

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Letting him leave town with it is a pretty big -EV leak.
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Old 08-12-2015, 05:54 PM   #9989
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That's my biggest grip with BBJ, it's players money, leave it to the ****ing players.

The bar game I built my BR in last year has a BBJ now... it's a 1/1 game... they rake for the BBJ now and they rake even more for the high hand bonus I think because they also added that. The game plays small and just a 1$ increase in rake per pots is pretty significant when the game plays small, I think it's even unbeatable now. They even get raked in tourneys. what a ****** you have to be to play there.
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Old 08-12-2015, 06:47 PM   #9990
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That's my biggest grip with BBJ, it's players money, leave it to the ****ing players.

The bar game I built my BR in last year has a BBJ now... it's a 1/1 game... they rake for the BBJ now and they rake even more for the high hand bonus I think because they also added that. The game plays small and just a 1$ increase in rake per pots is pretty significant when the game plays small, I think it's even unbeatable now. They even get raked in tourneys. what a ****** you have to be to play there.
oooh, BBJ, where is it!? ah, asking for a friend.
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Old 08-12-2015, 06:59 PM   #9991
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I was a mere runner runner away from the BBJ once.

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Old 08-12-2015, 08:37 PM   #9992
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Could alot of promotions help nullify rake even if WE arn't the direct recipient of them?

I.e. splash pots, high hands, silly raffle things.
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Old 08-12-2015, 08:50 PM   #9993
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Promotions drive traffic. They bring in players that wouldn't normally come to the room. That's better for the game than just a bunch of regs sitting around.
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Old 08-12-2015, 08:58 PM   #9994
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Could alot of promotions help nullify rake even if WE arn't the direct recipient of them?



I.e. splash pots, high hands, silly raffle things.

My main room recently did away with the bbj. They still rake the $1 but use it for hi hands, monthly all day promos where players who qualify all month have to come and be present all day for cash giveaways and other stuff. Supposedly the promo budget has to comply with some percentage approved by gaming. Basically they are distributing the promo in smaller chunks to more people. I suspect it's better for the room as a whole than a bbj.

I suspect the promo makes the smallest game in the room juicer but is neutral for the rest of the stakes.
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Old 08-12-2015, 09:04 PM   #9995
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Any time you give a large sum of money to one individual is a bad thing for the room.
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Old 08-12-2015, 09:16 PM   #9996
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Any time you give a large sum of money to one individual is a bad thing for the room.
It depends on the individual :P
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Old 08-12-2015, 09:20 PM   #9997
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Playing poker for money is a business. We're lucky pros don't have to single handedly pay for and deal with our marketing. We actually have our customers help pay for it.
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Old 08-13-2015, 01:43 AM   #9998
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At 1/2 I'm $16,116 over 539hrs with an hourly of $29.92, over a course of 7-8 weeks (yeah, I play 50+hours a week).

Overall is slightly lower including the 1 shot I took at 5/10 (ran bad oh well).



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nice graph, well done
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Are you really a Yugioh champ?
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