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Old 10-14-2011, 08:31 AM   #976
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Old 10-14-2011, 11:34 AM   #977
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i dont know if this is the right place to post this but isnt it ****ed up that at 1/2 i think i played one of my best sessions ever (i folded KK preflop for christs sake) and i lost $470 and 2 days later i think i did not play my best and i won $515. And the day i lost the games were sooo much softer than the day i won. I know i know, varience is a *****, but its still wierd
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Old 10-14-2011, 12:41 PM   #978
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Hey guys, anyone think it's possible for poker skills to decline if you've been inactive for a while when it comes to playing? I had no job over the last summer, so I was able to play alot and I think I really made a breakthrough in my game. Specifically what I did was drop the nitty attitude and really up my "gamble and aggression". Before the summer, I was kinda break even for a while. Over the summer I must have averaged like $20/hour.

But I haven't played much recently because I'm a full time student. I've had some kinda easy classes this trimester, due to scheduling issues, and I still haven't had much time for poker. The next two trimesters I'm going to have all very very hard classes...

Is it possible for one's poker skills to decline? I feel like this might be possible, but when it comes to the emotional/mental part of the game (tilt control, frustration, stress, ect) a long break might be good. BUT, I feel like I'm past the point where tilt or frustration affects my decisions.
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Old 10-14-2011, 12:52 PM   #979
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Hey guys, anyone think it's possible for poker skills to decline if you've been inactive for a while when it comes to playing?
Without a doubt (unless you're also spending a lot of time studying the game, posting about it, etc.).

The other day I played 2/4 limit for 15 minutes while waiting for a 1/3 NL seat to open, a game I haven't played in quite a while but that I've crushed for 0.5 BB/hr over 1400+ hours (doesn't sound like much, but believe me, anyone who is beating a raked small stakes limit game is crushing it). Anyhoo, I realized I had almost totally forgotten how to play the game.
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Old 10-17-2011, 06:20 AM   #980
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First post in this thread I think.

Month of august was soso , but 1 hand in 2 sessions cost me 3500 combined and booked losers instead of big wins. One well played and only left bc game broke. Other was a poorly played hand. Overall played pretty well. Fps on one occasion made a nice win into a small one. Only two losing sessions out of 9.

1/5 +55 6 hours
1/3 +530 9.7 hours
1/5 -800 8.1 hours (played a game)
2/5 +1335 4.4 hours
1/3 +400 4.3 hours
2/5 +38 3 hours (Fps)
2/5 +610 2 hours (friends went broke and ride was leaving )
2/5 -800 (played one hand horrid)
1/3 +3 9.4 hours

+1371 49.1 hours +27.92 per hour.
Didnt post in sept or yet this month in october:

Sept was -ran bad and shot took a lot at 5/10

also started to play limit mixed games and omaha hi

September
1/5 nl -260 6 hours
5/10 l omaha +1200 12.6 hours
5/10 nl -1500 6.2 hours (completely card dead and coolered ak vs aq aatqx board)
5/10 l omaha+1060 12.1 hours
5/10 nl heads up +1000 1.8 hours
2/5 nl -1000 11.4 hours
2/5 nl +18 9 hours
5/10 nl -1400 8.5hrs (flopped nut straight on button in straddled pot and then got run down by two players with oesd+pair, all in on flop)
1/3 nl -200 6.6 hours
5/10 l omaha +130 6.7 hours

80.9 hrs

no limit: -3342 -67.51/hr (49.5 hours)
omaha: +2390 +76.11/hr (31.4 hours)
overall: - 952 -11.76/hr
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Oct (so far):

1/3nl +530 7.9 hr
5/10 l omaha +150 3.2hr
2/5 nl -105 4.2
10/20 limit mixed (hle, omaha hi, stud)+450 4 hr
10/20 l mixed -50 2.1hr
2/5 nl -70 5.2hr
1/3 nl +350 11.5hr
5/10 l hle +200 5.8hr
5/10 nl -200 8.1 hr (aa vs q8 on first hand with spr of 3.7 3 way q84 2 spade flop)
1/3 nl +440 6.9 hr


hours 54.88
mixed: + 750 +67.69/hr (11.08)
nl: +21.57/hr(43.8)
overall: +1695 30.89/hr


last 3 months: +2114 11/hr over 184.9 hours


still have 3-4 more sessions that i will get in this month
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Old 10-18-2011, 12:28 PM   #981
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Would you add $ promotions to your WR? For example, high hand of the hour and BBJs?
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Old 10-18-2011, 12:49 PM   #982
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Would you add $ promotions to your WR? For example, high hand of the hour and BBJs?
I have two columns in my spreadsheet: one column just for straight poker winnings (therefore giving me a general idea of how I'm actually doing "skill" wise in these games), and another column including bonuses (high hand, BBJ, etc.) so they don't really interfere with the first number.

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Old 10-18-2011, 04:42 PM   #983
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Didnt post in sept or yet this month in october:

Sept was -ran bad and shot took a lot at 5/10

also started to play limit mixed games and omaha hi

September
1/5 nl -260 6 hours
5/10 l omaha +1200 12.6 hours
5/10 nl -1500 6.2 hours (completely card dead and coolered ak vs aq aatqx board)
5/10 l omaha+1060 12.1 hours
5/10 nl heads up +1000 1.8 hours
2/5 nl -1000 11.4 hours
2/5 nl +18 9 hours
5/10 nl -1400 8.5hrs (flopped nut straight on button in straddled pot and then got run down by two players with oesd+pair, all in on flop)
1/3 nl -200 6.6 hours
5/10 l omaha +130 6.7 hours

80.9 hrs

no limit: -3342 -67.51/hr (49.5 hours)
omaha: +2390 +76.11/hr (31.4 hours)
overall: - 952 -11.76/hr
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Oct (so far):

1/3nl +530 7.9 hr
5/10 l omaha +150 3.2hr
2/5 nl -105 4.2
10/20 limit mixed (hle, omaha hi, stud)+450 4 hr
10/20 l mixed -50 2.1hr
2/5 nl -70 5.2hr
1/3 nl +350 11.5hr
5/10 l hle +200 5.8hr
5/10 nl -200 8.1 hr (aa vs q8 on first hand with spr of 3.7 3 way q84 2 spade flop)
1/3 nl +440 6.9 hr


hours 54.88
mixed: + 750 +67.69/hr (11.08)
nl: +21.57/hr(43.8)
overall: +1695 30.89/hr


last 3 months: +2114 11/hr over 184.9 hours


still have 3-4 more sessions that i will get in this month
Booked another win at Omaha last night. +1010 in 7 +/- hours
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Old 10-21-2011, 04:40 AM   #984
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Don't ask me why but I ended up flipping for $700 last night. (i.e. the rest of the table would fold while me and another guy flipped) long story short he has AQ and wins.

Do you think I should subtract this as a loss at the table or keep it separate like it was a outside gambling endeavor?

I try to keep perfect stats, and I did subtract it as a loss at the table but I'm starting to think that maybe I shouldn't.
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Old 10-21-2011, 05:02 AM   #985
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Oh no, well, a guy (mid 20s I guess), totally spewy, tilty and horrible opened $20 from UTG BUT there was an $8 straddle. He simply does stupid things, like betting on a draw, then someone raises him, and then he 3-bets. Other stuff is check/raising with top pair no kicker, this stuff. I kinda knew based on previous history that this type of raise from him was a pair, smaller than Jacks, or some medium connected cards, like TJ.

One old man calls, I 3-bet my TT from LP to $65. He smooth calls, old man calls. Flop comes 2h3d4d. Checks to me, I bet $100, he c/r to $235 I guess. Old man tank folds, I ship it, like $1000.

He calls me with JJ, the top of the top of his range, and faces TT, the bottom of the bottom of my range.

I'm not saying my shove was good and his call was bad. I never should've shipped. I know haha but I was tired of him check raising me light.
I want to talk about this hand for a minute for a few reasons:

1. it's clearly an emotional play. "he's dumb, I have overpair, ship." not always a bad thought process, but horrible here. it's also worth noting that this ship is for a large # of bbs, which makes it a leak way more debilitating than limp calling with any range.

2. JJ is not the top/top of his range. he can have AKs, AQs, and probably more suited aces than that. obv he can have JJ and I think QQ and since he is a ****** also AA/KK. he can also have hands like AK (1 diamond) that are also eq favs against TT. there are very few hands on this board that you're even solidly beating (66-99 no diamond, unless you have the Td). flop is a clear check behind multiway imo. and a very easy fold when c/r.

3. your sizing is horrible, and points to how bad your bet is. everything you're betting here you would bet more with, including flushes, nutfd with overs and a gutter, and big overpairs. you bet small probably b/c your hand is weak relative to the scary board which makes it even harder to deal with a c/r. but really, since you can never call a c/r and are likely to get c/r by high eq draws as well as stronger made hands, you have no business betting. there's nothing you can get value from.

anyway, to me this isn't a high variance spot at all, which means it's a pretty big leak. either: a. playing too emotionally against tilty players; b. not understanding fundamentals; c. being too cavalier with your stack. nonetheless, it's hard to be a winner when you shove in 1k dead in a spot where you never should've bet or even called the c/r.
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Old 10-21-2011, 05:11 AM   #986
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Don't ask me why but I ended up flipping for $700 last night. (i.e. the rest of the table would fold while me and another guy flipped) long story short he has AQ and wins.

Do you think I should subtract this as a loss at the table or keep it separate like it was a outside gambling endeavor?

I try to keep perfect stats, and I did subtract it as a loss at the table but I'm starting to think that maybe I shouldn't.
yes, i would count it.
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Old 10-21-2011, 05:15 AM   #987
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Booked another win at Omaha last night. +1010 in 7 +/- hours
are you playing omaha hi lo?
i never heard of a limit omaha hi. if so, what state (or what casino if you don't mind saying) are you playing in?
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Old 10-21-2011, 11:42 AM   #988
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are you playing omaha hi lo?
i never heard of a limit omaha hi. if so, what state (or what casino if you don't mind saying) are you playing in?
Nope just Omaha hi. It's being run around the dc md va area at a bunch of home games. I think it may spread it at Charlestown wva too but I'm unsure. The structure is 5/10 blinds action capped at 40 pre or 50 if straddled. 20 on flop so 80 caps. Turn is same. River 30 with 120 cap. Very juicy
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Old 10-21-2011, 01:19 PM   #989
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Don't ask me why but I ended up flipping for $700 last night. (i.e. the rest of the table would fold while me and another guy flipped) long story short he has AQ and wins.

Do you think I should subtract this as a loss at the table or keep it separate like it was a outside gambling endeavor?

I try to keep perfect stats, and I did subtract it as a loss at the table but I'm starting to think that maybe I shouldn't.
If you won, were you planning on counting it? Have you done this in the past and counted it? If so, I'd count it.

In my mind this fits more of a "outside gambling endeavor" tho.
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Old 10-21-2011, 02:20 PM   #990
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If you won, were you planning on counting it? Have you done this in the past and counted it? If so, I'd count it.

In my mind this fits more of a "outside gambling endeavor" tho.
No, I've never done it before. I usually don't gamble like that. I just play poker and have little to no interest in any other types of gambling...so it was out of character.

Basically, I unfortunately did not respond well to a 65hr break-even stretch this month. Yes, not losing but break-even. I have just been running so well live since BF (about $80hr for around 450hrs at 2/3/5) I didn't take the slightest adversity well when It combined with some additional disappointments away from the table. I played some 5/5/10 which didn't go well which included this flip. Luckily I came to my senses and dropped back down stakes which started with a monster $2929 win at 2/3/5 last night that may help me to salvage my month.
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Old 10-29-2011, 12:35 AM   #991
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How many buy ins do you guys think you need to play at 5/5 plo live? im thinking about 30 buy ins of 500$ so 15k. gonna be living off this roll.
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Old 10-29-2011, 01:02 AM   #992
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How many buy ins do you guys think you need to play at 5/5 plo live? im thinking about 30 buy ins of 500$ so 15k. gonna be living off this roll.
LOL, $500 per buyin at 5/5?

You're gonna run out of chips in one orbit.
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Old 10-29-2011, 01:29 PM   #993
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How many buy ins do you guys think you need to play at 5/5 plo live? im thinking about 30 buy ins of 500$ so 15k. gonna be living off this roll.
Better off finding a 1/3 PLO game and living off that if you must.. thats a comfortable roll if you have side income, not off sole source....
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How many buy ins do you guys think you need to play at 5/5 plo live? im thinking about 30 buy ins of 500$ so 15k. gonna be living off this roll.
not nearly enough for PLO. It probally is barely enough for holdem.
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Old 11-04-2011, 02:56 AM   #997
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Hey guys; I had a pretty good October, logging in 74 hours and winning 1700 for a 21/hour winrate. Things are coming together for me as my bankroll is growing... about 2.5k more and I can start shot taking 2/5, and about 1k more to take a comfortable shot at the 1/3 game.

I have been grinding as poker being my sole source of income since July, and so far so good. I am trying to get a part time $12/hour job on the side so I can have side income on top of poker so I can make the jump to 2/5 rather easy. I am loving poker right now, and for the year I am up almost 9500 now playing stricty 1/2 at a $17/hour clip. Thanks for all the feedback on my threads; I feel 2plustwo has helped my game alot.
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Hey guys; I had a pretty good October, logging in 74 hours and winning 1700 for a 21/hour winrate. Things are coming together for me as my bankroll is growing... about 2.5k more and I can start shot taking 2/5, and about 1k more to take a comfortable shot at the 1/3 game.

I have been grinding as poker being my sole source of income since July, and so far so good. I am trying to get a part time $12/hour job on the side so I can have side income on top of poker so I can make the jump to 2/5 rather easy. I am loving poker right now, and for the year I am up almost 9500 now playing stricty 1/2 at a $17/hour clip. Thanks for all the feedback on my threads; I feel 2plustwo has helped my game alot.
cool I've been grinding full time for only about 4 months. Bankroll is pretty lol atm, full tilt plzzzz pay out no whammies!

I also really love playing right now. I took a couple years off from poker after getting bored of it, but live poker rekindled a love for the game in me. If online came back today I still think I'd try to play live a lot.
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I have played a little over 1k hrs in cardrooms and casinos since I turned 21 in January 2010. I have kept delegent records first on binder paper, the in a spread sheet on my laptop, then in the Poker Session Logger app for my android phone.

My overall winrate has been $9/hr, 1022 hrs played. I have mostly played 1/2 nl, some 1/3 nl and 2/4 nl as well.

I have a blog in the PG&C forum documenting my play since this May. I have been only lurking LLSNL but I think I should probably start commenting on some hands in here and post some occasional tough spots I find myself in.
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Hey guys; I had a pretty good October, logging in 74 hours and winning 1700 for a 21/hour winrate. Things are coming together for me as my bankroll is growing... about 2.5k more and I can start shot taking 2/5, and about 1k more to take a comfortable shot at the 1/3 game.

I have been grinding as poker being my sole source of income since July, and so far so good. I am trying to get a part time $12/hour job on the side so I can have side income on top of poker so I can make the jump to 2/5 rather easy. I am loving poker right now, and for the year I am up almost 9500 now playing stricty 1/2 at a $17/hour clip. Thanks for all the feedback on my threads; I feel 2plustwo has helped my game alot.
What's your current 1/2 bankroll and what is your bankroll gonna be when you start playing 2/5?
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