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Old 08-10-2015, 09:04 PM   #9926
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I had 2000 hours of 10/bb per hour, followed now by ~400 hours of twilight zone alternate universe type of running.

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Old 08-10-2015, 09:31 PM   #9927
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jesus kiddo, thats probably the biggest live sample I've ever seen. it's crazy to see a live graph that actually looks like an online graph.


stay strong through the downswing man. Make sure you are taking care of your mental game
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Old 08-10-2015, 09:37 PM   #9928
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Fish no longer on heater?



is now just...

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Old 08-10-2015, 09:42 PM   #9929
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That's not variance. Something about the game has changed.
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Old 08-10-2015, 10:41 PM   #9930
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Wouldn't ever play it.
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Old 08-10-2015, 10:42 PM   #9931
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jesus kiddo, thats probably the biggest live sample I've ever seen. it's crazy to see a live graph that actually looks like an online graph.


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Kiddo?
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Old 08-10-2015, 11:40 PM   #9932
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Kiddo?
it means "person"
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Old 08-10-2015, 11:58 PM   #9933
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it means "person"
yes, in a rather patronising way....kiddo!
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Old 08-11-2015, 12:48 AM   #9934
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yes, in a rather patronising way....kiddo!
the internet is the only place people go around hoping for the opportunity to be offended for someone else
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Old 08-11-2015, 12:56 AM   #9935
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Considering that your first posts in here were talking about your high stakes ventures and asking if you could post brag pics, I don't think it's unreasonable that people viewed "kiddo" as condescending.
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Old 08-11-2015, 12:58 AM   #9936
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I had 2000 hours of 10/bb per hour, followed now by ~400 hours of twilight zone alternate universe type of running.

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Nice to see other large live samples. How many hours do you get in a month?

That's a surprisingly steady winrate up until the slowdown. But even there you're not tanking too hard. That looks like breakeven except for the rake.

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jesus kiddo, thats probably the biggest live sample I've ever seen. it's crazy to see a live graph that actually looks like an online graph.

stay strong through the downswing man. Make sure you are taking care of your mental game
There have been a few other 2-4000 hr samples tossed around. But that's one of the more consistently UP figures I've seen from a live game.

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That's not variance. Something about the game has changed.
Maybe. Maybe not. Variance can do that for a couple of hundred hours easily. But I've seen games dry up when the big donators went broke or got arrested too.
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Old 08-11-2015, 01:01 AM   #9937
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the internet is the only place people go around hoping for the opportunity to be offended for someone else
it's also an awesome place to wave your dick around and pretend to be better, smarter and more successful than you actually are.

I wasn't offended and that certainly isn't why I came to tpt. (I come here during work hours to become less efficient and successful in my business). It just seemed to be a patronising phrase.

anyway, it doesn't matter, I'm sure you didn't mean it that way, I'm not into silly online 'beefs' and the posts I've read of yours have seemed very sensible and well argued, so I wish you all the very best
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Old 08-11-2015, 01:03 AM   #9938
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Considering that your first posts in here were talking about your high stakes ventures and asking if you could post brag pics, I don't think it's unreasonable that people viewed "kiddo" as condescending.
I don't know why I even bother responding to this **** but

a) that's just how I talk, I come from a halo background, everyone was called a kid regardless of relative age, race, gender didn't matter

b) I didn't brag about high stakes. my first post was how I play 1/2.

c) literally everyone that tried to become a pro at some point takes shots at 5/10 and higher. I ran good at those stakes for a while so I have around 1000 hours there but I'm not a huge winner, a highstakes pro, bragging about anything.

I'm probably very slightly above the median skill of your average live poker pro. not proud of it. I haven't played a hand of poker in 3 months I've been dealing with mental health issues.

the only reason I posted that stack picture was because 1/2 often discussed here in terms of how much one can win long term/in small samples/in one session. I had a 4k 1/2 session so I wanted to show that.
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Old 08-11-2015, 01:08 AM   #9939
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it's also an awesome place to wave your dick around and pretend to be better, smarter and more successful than you actually are.

I wasn't offended and that certainly isn't why I came to tpt. (I come here during work hours to become less efficient and successful in my business). It just seemed to be a patronising phrase.

anyway, it doesn't matter, I'm sure you didn't mean it that way, I'm not into silly online 'beefs' and the posts I've read of yours have seemed very sensible and well argued, so I wish you all the very best
I'm not successful at all. I have played probably 600 hours of poker in the last year, maybe less. I struggle with depression and I can't really find the balance between the few days I'm happy a week and poker.


I feel like you guys maybe got the wrong impression. I'm very pro transparency in the poker world. so few people see the reality of the life of a full time live grinder, and considering its been my soul source of income for the past 7 years I feel qualified to share my experiences on some things.

sorry if I offended you or anyone in this thread I don't mean to be cocky or unkind. seems like overall you guys are a good group sharing good information and being helpful. thats why I've been sharing here.
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Old 08-11-2015, 01:11 AM   #9940
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you didn't offend me, I'm certain I'm more cocky and unkind than you are (if you are) and I would very much like you to stick around and keep doing what you're doing
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Old 08-11-2015, 04:58 AM   #9941
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Never been called kiddo but a lot of millennial poker players love to use the term "kid" and it makes me want to smack them.

Also, laughed at this quote above which was meant as consolation: "But even there you're not tanking too hard. That looks like breakeven except for the rake."
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Old 08-11-2015, 08:43 AM   #9942
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Nice to see other large live samples. How many hours do you get in a month?

That's a surprisingly steady winrate up until the slowdown. But even there you're not tanking too hard. That looks like breakeven except for the rake.



There have been a few other 2-4000 hr samples tossed around. But that's one of the more consistently UP figures I've seen from a live game.



Maybe. Maybe not. Variance can do that for a couple of hundred hours easily. But I've seen games dry up when the big donators went broke or got arrested too.
400 hours breakeven is not that unlikely at all. Anyone else who thinks otherwise hasn't played enough hours.
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Old 08-11-2015, 09:45 AM   #9943
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1. Don't think you can win $40-50/hr at 1/2

2. You can't be afraid of a downswing if you hope to make any real money in poker

3. There is no such thing as printing money every day, every week, every month, etc (variance doesn't allow such a thing)

I only advocate sticking to 1/2 rather than 2/5 if you are a casual player who is just playing for fun and losing 1000+ would seriously hurt your mental game.

The only other reason to stick with 1/2 is if you don't have the bankroll for 2/5 or are not ready to move up (skill or mental game reasons)
If you read this popular thread you may think otherwise
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...-here-1283096/
This Indiana guy is killing the 1-2no limits.
He also has a Poker YouTube Channel that is pretty epic.
https://www.youtube.com/user/rayrayl76/videos
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Old 08-11-2015, 12:05 PM   #9944
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Fish no longer on heater?
Now I have to track down that thread and revisit it.

Not offended by kiddo, even though it is likely I'm the elder.

Ironically, I was reading this thread during my session last night when I was 1 outered on river (set over set, quads came, 150bb pot), 2 outered on turn (all in with trips versus aces on flop 100bb deep, ace on turn), and then 2 outered again on river. All for big pots, all same session. It's been like that for 400 hours. I think it's just run-bad, but it's possible I've developed leaks in my game where I'm not winning enough other pots for my winrate to overcome the bad beats.
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Old 08-11-2015, 12:24 PM   #9945
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Is $7 that crazy? Seems relatively standard.
With it not being *that* difficult to create a $70 pot, plus $1 BBJ drop, plus a typical $1 tip (although lots of people tip more), at 30 hands an hour, that's $270 coming off the table. Sit there for a 8 hour session, that's $2,160 being taken off the table.

We're basically fighting over the table scraps with this much money being taken off the table. When we're the best player there and the others are all ******ed, we'll probably do just fine. When we're perhaps not the best player there and a lot of the others aren't ******ed, it (and even a more typical $5 max rake game) is probably close to being unbeatable.

Git's100%aboutwhoissittingatthetable,imoG


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I had 2000 hours of 10/bb per hour, followed now by ~400 hours of twilight zone alternate universe type of running.

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Lolz, I had my first downswing about the first time you did, and was also running at about ~10 bbs/hr when I encountered it. Thankfully I've had some upswings inbetween the two downswings since then, but yeah, **** can obviously happen (lolz, I've actually played about the exact same number of hours as you too).

G2.4bb/hrover310hoursin2015;kindajusthappyI'mwinning,tbhG

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Old 08-11-2015, 01:59 PM   #9946
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but yeah, **** can obviously happen
Pffft... you can't even beat a home tourney where players can't figure out who wins at showdown and wonder why 3 pair doesn't win over a full house.
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Old 08-11-2015, 02:08 PM   #9947
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Pffft... you can't even beat a home tourney where players can't figure out who wins at showdown and wonder why 3 pair doesn't win over a full house.
Lolz, true dat!

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Old 08-11-2015, 02:24 PM   #9948
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Lolz, true dat!

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There are some amazing stories in Godfather of Poker from when NLHE was first introduced in Vegas -- they are playing high stakes games (10s of thousands) and it's like your home tourney. They are teaching the rules to players during hands, players don't know if three pair is better than a one card boat, etc. Players want to get a refund at the end of the hand because they called off their 20k stack and didn't understand that their 99 didn't play on a AAJJT board... that kind of stuff.
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Old 08-11-2015, 04:45 PM   #9949
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With it not being *that* difficult to create a $70 pot, plus $1 BBJ drop, plus a typical $1 tip (although lots of people tip more), at 30 hands an hour, that's $270 coming off the table. Sit there for a 8 hour session, that's $2,160 being taken off the table.

We're basically fighting over the table scraps with this much money being taken off the table. When we're the best player there and the others are all ******ed, we'll probably do just fine. When we're perhaps not the best player there and a lot of the others aren't ******ed, it (and even a more typical $5 max rake game) is probably close to being unbeatable.

Git's100%aboutwhoissittingatthetable,imoG

I understand that it sucks badly. I just thought it was the norm. Maybe I should move to where the casinos respect my raises.


Lolz, I had my first downswing about the first time you did, and was also running at about ~10 bbs/hr when I encountered it. Thankfully I've had some upswings inbetween the two downswings since then, but yeah, **** can obviously happen (lolz, I've actually played about the exact same number of hours as you too).

G2.4bb/hrover310hoursin2015;kindajusthappyI'mwinning,tbhG
I know it sucks badly. I just thought it was the norm. Maybe I should move to someplace where the casinos respect my raises.
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Old 08-12-2015, 05:09 AM   #9950
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At what point does the rake make a game unbeatable?
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