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Old 08-08-2015, 11:49 PM   #9876
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4bux is standard imho
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Old 08-08-2015, 11:51 PM   #9877
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$5 here with jackpot drop.
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Old 08-09-2015, 12:17 AM   #9878
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98% of the player pool isn't winning at all.
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Old 08-09-2015, 02:03 AM   #9879
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I would say that before rake, 55-60% are losers. I am not sure how many people become losers because of the rake maybe another 15-20%? But even among the winners, the people who manage to sustain themselves through poker is tiny. At most 5% of the total population , most likely 1-2%.
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Old 08-09-2015, 04:29 AM   #9880
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The only reason $7 seems close to normal is because every room in Detroit over-rakes the game like crazy.

$4+1 is pretty common elsewhere.
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Old 08-09-2015, 07:27 AM   #9881
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In Jacksonville, at 2-5, if you steal the blinds preflop, they rake $2 and you get $5.
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Old 08-09-2015, 09:46 AM   #9882
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the game is raked @7 bux

according to u 95% of player pool can not do it

Therefore it is NOT super simple

Pro tip #144 from skwid

*edit when I say "you" I am not directing this at any one in particular...I just mean general you

just cuz u r on 2p2 and know sum jargon does not mean you are a great player by any stretch of the imagination. As mentioned earlier people have tons of leaks and have zero clue that they have em and will continue to have em. Beating rake and toke aint ez. Beating ridic rake (7$ in a 1/3 game) is even tougher.
I Australia.

Well... Maybe not the rake (1/3 and 2/4 are 10% rake capped at $15), but definitely the games :3
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Old 08-09-2015, 10:32 AM   #9883
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We'd have to start by defining "player pool". Maybe that's a known settled upon definition, but it isn't obvious to me.

Very rough guess, at MDL, 10000 player hours of 2-5 in a given week. (can somebody improve upon that guess?) Equivalent of 250 40-hour a week regs and pros. Of course, lots of regulars play way more or way less than that. Some probably do an every Saturday thing. Talked to one guy awhile back that lives and works in Wilmington NC, makes the 6 hour drive, gets a hotel for the weekend, and had been doing it for many weekends in a row. Then you got the one a month people, the three times a year people, and the once in a life people.

What is the size of that player pool? How many MDL 2-5 players are beating the game for 5bb+? (I'd guess less than 10, not counting the ones who could but mostly play 5-10+)

PS: my "less than 10" is a Wild A$$ Guess, I don't play there enough to have a really good feel for that.
Damn I'm in elite company!

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Old 08-09-2015, 10:46 AM   #9884
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Damn I'm in elite company!

Thanks for the ego boost mang
no prob! Don't know if you're being sarcastic though. Do you like any of my estimates, or FOS?
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Old 08-09-2015, 10:51 AM   #9885
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Not FOS at all. I've heard I'm prob the best 2/5 reg in the room but thought I made avoidable mistakes a little too often for that to be the case. Now that I think about it hard I can think of like ~10 players I would say make 5bb/hr or more.

It's always fun hearing players brag about their winrates at the table. One guy who is an absolute train wreck and buys in for 40-60BB was bragging how he makes 50/hour at the game and I just laughed to myself so hard.

10BB/hr is hard f****ing work and playing your A game no matter what happens variance wise which is really hard to do.
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Old 08-09-2015, 11:23 AM   #9886
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15 an hour is easily attainable
by making 154,000 in a 5-1-2 game?
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Old 08-09-2015, 12:15 PM   #9887
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by making 154,000 in a 5-1-2 game?
math is so fun.

100 times 150 is 15000, not 150k

way to roast me though

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its sessions not hours at the bottom, I started keeping track about halfway through the sample because I wanted to give myself a hours goal so I could buy an apple watch but I ended up quitting poker and not wanting one. instead I had a mental breakdown

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Old 08-09-2015, 12:18 PM   #9888
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It's always fun hearing players brag about their winrates at the table. One guy who is an absolute train wreck and buys in for 40-60BB was bragging how he makes 50/hour at the game and I just laughed to myself so hard.
Yeah, when I was more naive that used to tilt me until I learned how FOS people are. A lot of people fooling themselves.

Lots of people are very selective too. I won X last session, blah blah blah.

After I stacked a guy once at 2-5, he went on a tirade, "MY QUOTA is $2,000, I never quit a session until I'm up $2,000!", as he slammed a $200 minimum buyin onto the table.
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Old 08-09-2015, 12:22 PM   #9889
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I would ask, have you at least taken a shower since you got here...how many days ago?
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Old 08-09-2015, 12:26 PM   #9890
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My language was too loose earlier. When I agreed with what was said, I was just thinking about the relative ease of beating 1-3 with deep stacks and really bad players for 5bb+ compared to the tougher task of beating 2-5 with "solid" regs for 5bb+
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Old 08-09-2015, 12:29 PM   #9891
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It's probably hard, but I haven't met a losing poker player in real life, so I thought maybe it isn't that hard.
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Old 08-09-2015, 12:32 PM   #9892
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My language was too loose earlier. When I agreed with what was said, I was just thinking about the relative ease of beating 1-3 with deep stacks and really bad players for 5bb+ compared to the tougher task of beating 2-5 with "solid" regs for 5bb+
I'd say this is a fairly accurate.
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Old 08-09-2015, 12:33 PM   #9893
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I would ask, have you at least taken a shower since you got here...how many days ago?


I try to keep quiet and respectful in that situation, but, yeah, I was biting my lip pretty hard at that point.
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Old 08-09-2015, 12:35 PM   #9894
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These "10bb/hr" winners also probably don't track their results and if they do delete some bad results cuz they weren't feeling well that day or blah blah blah as well.
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Old 08-09-2015, 12:38 PM   #9895
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Yeah, when I was more naive that used to tilt me until I learned how FOS people are. A lot of people fooling themselves.

Lots of people are very selective too. I won X last session, blah blah blah.

After I stacked a guy once at 2-5, he went on a tirade, "MY QUOTA is $2,000, I never quit a session until I'm up $2,000!", as he slammed a $200 minimum buyin onto the table.
I saw a guy on instagram buy in for 200 cash out like 1400 or whatever in 5 hours take a picture and caption it 'thats 2xx per hour!' and I politely said hey man it might not be great for your mindset to focus on short term hourly like that it might mislead you or the people reading this and make downswings harder

and he responded like all snarky like I'VE BEEN TRAXING MY STATZ FOR YEARS I KNOW THAT DUH THANKS THOUGH

and I'm thinking if you really knew that why would you put it? then a few posts later I see him selling for a 500 lottery ticket at 1.3 and I was like oh I get it now
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Old 08-09-2015, 12:40 PM   #9896
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These "10bb/hr" winners also probably don't track their results and if they do delete some bad results cuz they weren't feeling well that day or blah blah blah as well.
that being said I've personally know 6-7 people who I trust who have win >11bb/h over 100)+ hour samples. my best friend Matt made 75/h for 2 years between 2011-2013 over at least 2000 hours. games were a bit easier but he is just an extremely amazing person. the gold standard in my mind
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Old 08-09-2015, 12:43 PM   #9897
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Ok, what about your dog's name and social security number?
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Old 08-09-2015, 01:10 PM   #9898
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Old 08-09-2015, 05:06 PM   #9899
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that being said I've personally know 6-7 people who I trust who have win >11bb/h over 100)+ hour samples. my best friend Matt made 75/h for 2 years between 2011-2013 over at least 2000 hours. games were a bit easier but he is just an extremely amazing person. the gold standard in my mind
100 hours is such a low samples tho.
Theres so many little things that makes someone run insanely good, before I thought someone who was up over a 100hours sample was a winning player for sure, now I think it's probable at best.
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100 hours is such a low samples tho.
Theres so many little things that makes someone run insanely good, before I thought someone who was up over a 100hours sample was a winning player for sure, now I think it's probable at best.
Matt made $75/hr over at least 2000 hours though. What do you have to say about that?
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