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Old 07-27-2015, 03:28 PM   #9751
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Which kind of poker variant has a potential for the highest $/hr winrate?
I know it's limit and volume dependant but I'm kind of looking for a pretty broad answer anyway



examples:
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other MTTs
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How good are you?
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Old 07-27-2015, 03:55 PM   #9752
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Shortstacking in your regular game is pretty much the best way to limit your profit. Double ups are nice, but lets figure out how often you can get it in with your range and win in a live setting.

Also agree with RP and wj94. You have to deal with a ton of negative vibes as a hit and run short stacker. And if you don't put being a player others want to play with as one of your priorities then you are doing it very wrong.
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Old 07-27-2015, 04:04 PM   #9753
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Hi guys.
Which kind of poker variant has a potential for the highest $/hr winrate?
I know it's limit and volume dependant but I'm kind of looking for a pretty broad answer anyway



examples:
NLH cash
PLO cash
8Game cash
other cash
Zoom
NLH MTTs
NLH Turbo MTTs
NLH Hyper Turbo MTTs
NLH SnGs
NLH Turbo SnGs
NLH Hyper Turbo SnGs
NLH Fifty50 SnGs
other MTTs
other SnGs
i really think cash plo is a gold mine, but i have no personal experience with it (idk how to play plo). there is no plo in my city but a few "good" regs fly to vegas/drive 4 hours often just to play it
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Old 07-27-2015, 04:04 PM   #9754
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Hi guys.
Which kind of poker variant has a potential for the highest $/hr winrate?
I know it's limit and volume dependant but I'm kind of looking for a pretty broad answer anyway



examples:
NLH cash
PLO cash
8Game cash
other cash
Zoom
NLH MTTs
NLH Turbo MTTs
NLH Hyper Turbo MTTs
NLH SnGs
NLH Turbo SnGs
NLH Hyper Turbo SnGs
NLH Fifty50 SnGs
other MTTs
other SnGs
Iv been asking the same question, but honestly the answer is which games have the worse players and run consistantly,,,Every O8 game I play there is always multiple dummies, youll see hands that you cant understand,, the worst call iv ever seen in my life was by some lady was in (LO8) on a AK5 flop she over called with JJ77 no draw I didnt even have the words...I dont see these same blantant mistakes as often in NLHcash, sngs, MTTs to some exetent and PLO as well.....So i know cash games are more consistant so Ill say the easiest format is O8 cash
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Old 07-27-2015, 04:46 PM   #9755
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Keeping the fish entertained and enjoying themselves is a pretty big concern. If the whales leave because the players they're sitting with are nasty to them, or boring, or hit and run artists, or anything else that makes the game "not fun", then we've all lost. I've personally seen some of the idiot regs berate a gigantic whale for sucking out on them, calling him an idiot, moron, awful player, etc, until they ran him completely out of the local games. Now he's gone and not donating $1k/night at a $1/2 game.

Tapping on the tank is bad for everybody. It's not a strategy question.
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Old 07-27-2015, 04:50 PM   #9756
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O8 is probably the best especially if you can find PL or NL.
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Old 07-27-2015, 04:51 PM   #9757
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Hi guys.
Which kind of poker variant has a potential for the highest $/hr winrate?
I know it's limit and volume dependant but I'm kind of looking for a pretty broad answer anyway



examples:
NLH cash
PLO cash
8Game cash
other cash
Zoom
NLH MTTs
NLH Turbo MTTs
NLH Hyper Turbo MTTs
NLH SnGs
NLH Turbo SnGs
NLH Hyper Turbo SnGs
NLH Fifty50 SnGs
other MTTs
other SnGs
Just play whatever is most enjoyable for you. If you do that you'll put in 2x the volume and study than if you were playing something you didn't like, and if you do that then chances are your hourly in the long run will surpass that of another game you didn't enjoy but had a higher hourly in the short term.
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Old 07-27-2015, 05:17 PM   #9758
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Which kind of poker variant has a potential for the highest $/hr winrate?
I know it's limit and volume dependant but I'm kind of looking for a pretty broad answer anyway
Probably PLO cash, if you have the BR for it.

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i really think cash plo is a gold mine, but i have no personal experience with it (idk how to play plo). there is no plo in my city but a few "good" regs fly to vegas/drive 4 hours often just to play it
The PLO cash games I've seen are NUTS. I'm not horribly good at it yet either, but it brings out the guys that love to gambool it up for big money. People will tell you that you're never that far behind with PLO, but that's a preflop argument. On the flop or turn it's possible to have an opponent completely and totally crushed and them not even realize it.
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Old 07-27-2015, 05:26 PM   #9759
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Probably PLO cash, if you have the BR for it.



The PLO cash games I've seen are NUTS. I'm not horribly good at it yet either, but it brings out the guys that love to gambool it up for big money. People will tell you that you're never that far behind with PLO, but that's a preflop argument. On the flop or turn it's possible to have an opponent completely and totally crushed and them not even realize it.
No Money in PLO, everyone is Solid.
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Old 07-27-2015, 07:02 PM   #9760
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But the live poker regs love it when you deep stack and bust them
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Old 07-27-2015, 07:45 PM   #9761
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It might be 2 hours not 3 but it's definitely not any less than that. Tbh in the 5/6 casino's I've played in I've never seen more than 3 NL tables running at once, normally no more than 1 1/1 game and 1 1/2 game, you'd have to go to 2/3 different casino's per night to shortstack hit n run.
I too play/live in the UK.

From memory if you move tables you take your whole stack.

If you stop playing cash but return within 2 hours, you must sit down with what you left with, more than 2 hours and this doesn't apply.

In my regular UK casino we usually get anywhere between 2, as an absolute minimum, and 6 cash tables going.

Minimum at £1/£1 is £40.
There are distinct buy-in amounts used...
These seem to be several players at £40/50, then many will be buying in at£100 and quite a few at the max of £250.

NOBODY has an issue with the short stacks. If they don't like the fact there are shorties on the table, they switch table.

Hit and runs upset some people but that's stack independent....and usually the grumps that area moaning.
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Old 07-31-2015, 04:30 AM   #9762
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I really miss that little guy.




Probably PLO cash, if you have the BR for it.



The PLO cash games I've seen are NUTS. I'm not horribly good at it yet either, but it brings out the guys that love to gambool it up for big money. People will tell you that you're never that far behind with PLO, but that's a preflop argument. On the flop or turn it's possible to have an opponent completely and totally crushed and them not even realize it.
Ya this.

Plo cash is great. Swings are truly amazing. I have 3000 hours of live plo logged from 2-5 to 50-100. and my biggest downswing.went.from 15k. To 30k. To 120k.

In a 900 hour breakeven stretch currently.

98 percent of my seasions are home game.

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Old 07-31-2015, 04:35 AM   #9763
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That's awesome.

What are you doing in this subforum?
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Old 07-31-2015, 04:59 AM   #9764
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That's awesome.

What are you doing in this subforum?
Its on my favorites and once or twice a month ill read all posts and when plo posts are made I perk up. I think I initially subscribed because I wanted info on live standard.deviations some years back.

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Old 07-31-2015, 08:41 AM   #9765
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50-100 plo? wtf... what kind of BR do you need for that? i need some of dat FU $$$




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Old 07-31-2015, 08:58 AM   #9766
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50-100 plo? wtf... what kind of BR do you need for that? i need some of dat FU $$$



Some home.games are.weird.

One.night.it started with 10 dollar button.straddle (no blinds)

By the next.day people were geeking and asking.to straddle 100.

I unfortunately ran poor when the games were massive.

As.far as.br reqs...I dunno. More than I have. =)

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Old 07-31-2015, 12:52 PM   #9767
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50-100 plo? wtf... what kind of BR do you need for that? i need some of dat FU $$$
$500,000 - $1,000,000 should do it
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Old 07-31-2015, 12:55 PM   #9768
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Ya this.

Plo cash is great. Swings are truly amazing. I have 3000 hours of live plo logged from 2-5 to 50-100. and my biggest downswing.went.from 15k. To 30k. To 120k.

In a 900 hour breakeven stretch currently.

98 percent of my seasions are home game.

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nice anti-PLO Public Service Announcement
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Old 07-31-2015, 01:38 PM   #9769
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nice anti-PLO Public Service Announcement
I suppose I need to make it clear.

I love plo and only play plo.

Ya swings are big.but whatever.

Plo is a great game.

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Old 07-31-2015, 01:42 PM   #9770
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getting myself acclimated with the heralded "2/5 swings" i've heard so much about

7/26: -$1,500 in 3.5 hours (biggest $ loss i've had in a session, not most BB's though)
7/28: +$770 in 7 hours
7/30: +$1,415 in 5 hours

the 7/26 session really beat up my confidence but i knew it was just "one of those nights" so i'm glad i could put together two good sessions without missing a beat. this is where i am thankful i took so long to move up from 1/2 so that i was properly rolled and confident in my game.

BR @ 16.5k
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Old 07-31-2015, 02:08 PM   #9771
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My BR keeps fluctuating between 4-6k.

Bad run in Vegas, and 5 losing sessions last week. Plo/8 mix for -400 (whatever idc as much about this) and 1/2 clobberfest for -700

But four big pots in 1/2 were really bad for me this week.

AK beat by KJ board K 7 4 3 J river, money in on flop$900 pot

Q9 beat by an AQ limp call from a loose, weird player preflop w me leading
Flop KJT for$900 total pot

A9 vs AT against the same player AJ9 T 4 pot 500
I put in the raise pre and bet the hand down

And AQ vs QJ one heart
Flop Th9h5s c/c turn Qh he bets, I raise he jams, I tank call river 6h like $240 each on turn for around $500

I'm not playing great but I still think I net 10+bb/hr against the field w game selection and better Tag style than opponents

Still at 35/hr this year after dropping about 3k between last week and Vegas, like 150 hrs this year
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I suppose I need to make it clear.

I love plo and only play plo.

Ya swings are big.but whatever.

Plo is a great game.

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That's cool. Wasn't trying to rip on you. Yours was a sobering message about a game that tilts me at least 50% of the time I try it, whether it's micro stakes at Bovada or 2-2 live at MDL, I find the game confounding.
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Still at 35/hr this year after dropping about 3k between last week and Vegas, like 150 hrs this year
Maybe you ran way above EV in those 150 hours.
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Old 07-31-2015, 04:21 PM   #9774
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Maybe you ran way above EV in those 150 hours.
Maybe.

I was running like 75/hr for like 80hrs which I obviously don't think is sustainable. I do think one of my strengths though is game selection.

I almost always play Wednesday, Friday-Sunday. Wednesday is tourney night, so i show up an hour after it starts and play against the first hour bust outs and the weekends bring out tons of fish.
I know the room well and regularly table change away from the ones dense w the tougher regs or just bum hunt.


Idk. I'm actually kind of glad to be losing right now, I've gotten to go back and study a lot more and I feel like if I can run up another 5k this year by playing at 25/hr for 200 hrs (I didn't start playing until late March this year) then I'll be in a good spot to maybe take some 2/5 shots and really see what I can do.

Anyway, pipe dreams, I just feel a lot more comfortable this year than I have at any point in the past 8 years of play or so. Really hoping that it's not just me lying to myself.
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Old 07-31-2015, 04:26 PM   #9775
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People grossly overestimate significance of 150 hours block in LLSNL.

Yes, for a rec player, that could be 3 months, and being a huge winner after 3 months can make you feel like Phil Ivey.

But in reality, it really is a meaningless sample size.
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