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Old 07-22-2015, 02:36 PM   #9676
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I keep track of all promotion/bbj etc. Money won, but do not factor it into my win rate. Reason I don't include in my win rate is because for me, hourly win rate is gauge of my actual playing ability and growth, and gives me rough idea what I should expect to be making.

BBJ is basically found money. I can't use previous wins as an idea to predict future wins. Hell, first time I ever played NLH in a casino I was on the losing side of a bad beat. Didn't even know what a BBJ was and came close to mucking my hand - and seriously freaked the table out in the process. Anyone seriously think that money should be factored into win rate? Pretty damn good hourly!

I also regularly get free slot play. I keep track of that money separate from everything else. However It is actually reasonable to guesstimate future free slot earnings. I receive regular, predictable free slot play based on my players card (totally earned from poker). Slots on a aggregate pay out set % of every dollar deposited. When I get $100 in free play, I sit my ass in front of a $1 machine and mash that button exactly 100 times, then cash out. I'm in my 40s and have never put a dime of my own money in one of those stupid things.



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Old 07-22-2015, 03:00 PM   #9677
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Lost loads at my 1/3 game last night, ending the hot streak:

Hours Profit
5.18 $260.00
5.45 $1,855.00
5.00 $300.00
5.43 $632.00
5.18 $1,940.00
5.55 $510.00
5.38 $825.00
5.65 $908.00
5.58 $425.00
5.10 ($203.00)
5.50 $865.00
5.52 ($1,100.00)
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Old 07-22-2015, 03:05 PM   #9678
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hmm ... really starting to get the 2/5 bug now. players are just as bad as 1/2 players, just in different ways. still so many limp callers and people just limping/open raising horrible ranges.

the lack of short stackers at 2/5 (most people buy in for 1000 at my room, i seem to be the lone 500 stacker) has me thinking this game will be even more lucrative in terms of BB/hr winrate, even accounting for the slightly better players

played a 5.5 hour session tonight. got felted on the FIRST HAND at the table (new table opened) when i stacked off with AK on KT9ss flop 3-way SPR ~5 and lost to a flush

still ended the session +$560

BR now at $15k. may not play 1/2 again unless i go on a bad 2/5 downswing. starting to feel really comfortable playing a tightened up version of my 1/2 game. think i'll keep playing 2/5 tight (range that dominates V's) until i get more experience and can start buying in for 1000 and playing looser in LP

2/5 test run in july

You should play 2/5. Run good. Never look back.
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Old 07-22-2015, 03:35 PM   #9679
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Lost loads at my 1/3 game last night, ending the hot streak:

Hours Profit
5.18 $260.00
5.45 $1,855.00
5.00 $300.00
5.43 $632.00
5.18 $1,940.00
5.55 $510.00
5.38 $825.00
5.65 $908.00
5.58 $425.00
5.10 ($203.00)
5.50 $865.00
5.52 ($1,100.00)
Wow! Do you play a high variance style? Your two large wins would both make 2nd place on my all time biggest wins list, and your big loss ties my 2nd biggest ever loss, all the while putting in relatively short sessions compared to mine (I average ~8ish hours per session).

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Old 07-22-2015, 03:48 PM   #9680
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Wow! Do you play a high variance style? Your two large wins would both make 2nd place on my all time biggest wins list, and your big loss ties my 2nd biggest ever loss, all the while putting in relatively short sessions compared to mine (I average ~8ish hours per session).

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I play a very high variance style. There are a few whales in my player pool that are always there, and I put alot of value on building a big stack early in the night so that I can be sitting deep with the whales later in the session (I've had one player consistently snap off my 3b shoves for $800+ effective with 99-QQ or AK). This involves taking highly aggressive lines early on and pushing position and draws heavily vs the non-whales. Somehow all the villains haven't caught on on how to exploit me as I get tons of folds from them.
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Old 07-22-2015, 03:51 PM   #9681
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Lost loads at my 1/3 game last night, ending the hot streak:

Hours Profit
5.18 $260.00
5.45 $1,855.00
5.00 $300.00
5.43 $632.00
5.18 $1,940.00
5.55 $510.00
5.38 $825.00
5.65 $908.00
5.58 $425.00
5.10 ($203.00)
5.50 $865.00
5.52 ($1,100.00)
Those are some sick scores for a 1/3 ($500 max?) keep it up. Brush off the last one - those nights are bound to happen with your style.
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Old 07-22-2015, 03:56 PM   #9682
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IYO, what is the max hourly 1-tabling 50NL 6m on Bovada?
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Old 07-22-2015, 03:56 PM   #9683
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Yeah 500 max, most buy in for 200 or 300 and keep rebuying 200 at a time. It's pretty normal for there to be 2 big stacks of 1400+ 3 hours after table starts.
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Old 07-22-2015, 03:57 PM   #9684
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IYO, what is the max hourly 1-tabling 50NL 6m on Bovada?
Wrong subforum, try microstakes NL.
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Old 07-23-2015, 09:48 AM   #9685
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Nice start!

Any thoughts on getting into the job market eventually, and keeping poker as a side income / hobby?

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Actually I left a full-time job for poker. I was working as a tradesperson making $30hr, but after working my way up to the top over 8 years, I decided to make poker my sole income. Needed to try it full time before I wasn't in a spot to attempt it. Lucky me, I will always have that old job if poker doesn't satisfy.
Was making $15/hr before going on this journey over 2k hours so def making improvements.

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That's pretty damn good for 1200 hours.

How much do you think your local game, or your personal play has changed over that time?
I have improved vastly. I have gotten coaching and also study often and constantly take notes on player pool. Have started playing daytime games as they are steady and small pool here so I'm able to develop solid approach. Save my night play for weekends where I play a tighter style to get max value from the randoms and drunks.

The game has changed slightly as the player pool (retired guys, Asian gamblers and industry people) has gotten to know me. At first, I was getting paid off easily and now I must set up spots more carefully.

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$20/hr can't even cover self medicating cost of spending more than 5 hours a week in a casino.
Our local casinos are pretty nice. To be honest, since leaving my old job for poker I have never been in better shape. I bought a gym membership for a place walking distance from my main Casino. I go every morning on the way to play and sometimes take a break and lift some weights in the middle of a session.
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Old 07-23-2015, 12:22 PM   #9686
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Was making $15/hr before going on this journey over 2k hours so def making improvements.
One thing to keep in mind is that your previous poker results don't always give you an indication of what your future poker results will be; they can vary wildly (as I'm finding out).

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Old 07-23-2015, 01:58 PM   #9687
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I play a very high variance style. There are a few whales in my player pool that are always there, and I put alot of value on building a big stack early in the night so that I can be sitting deep with the whales later in the session (I've had one player consistently snap off my 3b shoves for $800+ effective with 99-QQ or AK). This involves taking highly aggressive lines early on and pushing position and draws heavily vs the non-whales. Somehow all the villains haven't caught on on how to exploit me as I get tons of folds from them.
Can you post some hands?
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Old 07-23-2015, 04:35 PM   #9688
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True fact: Over 1,353 hours of live 2/4 Limit, my winrate is $25.03/hr. Which I'm pretty sure makes me the greatest 2/4 Limit player that has ever lived. Oh, wait, am I not supposed to include the BBJ I hit?

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Is that a typo or did you really play that many hours of 2/4 limit?
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Old 07-23-2015, 05:03 PM   #9689
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Can you post some hands?
In the session where i was +1940, i was BB with AA, UTG (Aggro whale) raises to 16, 5 callers, I shove for 780 effective, UTG snap calls, all others fold and I hold vs AKss.

Normally would just 3b big there but had made a play the week prior, same exact scenario and aggro whale, except i had A9ss and 200 effective with aggro whale and got called by QJ and lost.

Earlier in session:

I raise to 13 with 75 in MP, CO call, Button (Nit) 3bets to 30, I call 350 effective, CO folds.

Flop 468 rainbow, I lead 20, Button raises to 75 i flat. Turn 10 I c/r his 80 bet AI and get snapped by AA.

Not really any skill in either of these hands other than knowing my image and whale tendencies when i shove for 780, and knowing my implied odds vs nit.
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Old 07-23-2015, 05:19 PM   #9690
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I have improved vastly. I have gotten coaching and also study often and constantly take notes on player pool. Have started playing daytime games as they are steady and small pool here so I'm able to develop solid approach. Save my night play for weekends where I play a tighter style to get max value from the randoms and drunks.

The game has changed slightly as the player pool (retired guys, Asian gamblers and industry people) has gotten to know me. At first, I was getting paid off easily and now I must set up spots more carefully.
Yea, that's part of what I was getting at. Your 1000 hour sample isn't really homogeneous. Your early hours are different than your recent hours if you've been putting in study time. This is a big part of why it's so hard to make statistical arguments about LLSNL winrates, even when you have the hours it's not fair to compare them.

On weekens with the play is looser and there are more drunks, you should be playing *looser*. Not crazy loose, but there will be more spots to get your money in ahead against those guys, so you can play more hands and still be ahead of their ranges and otherwise able to exploit them.

It sounds like you've cultivated a very solid, tight image. I've done the same thing in my local games. Not you need to start exploiting that. Stab stab stab at pots. Raise OTB with ATC when it looks like they're not interested. Barrel flops and/or turns when you whiff.



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Is that a typo or did you really play that many hours of 2/4 limit?
It has to be. No human can survive that much $2/4 limit without blowing their own brains out.
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Old 07-23-2015, 05:32 PM   #9691
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Is that a typo or did you really play that many hours of 2/4 limit?
Sadly, not a typo.

Honestly, I had fun and enjoyed it, and it certainly was a good introduction (albeit perhaps overly long one) regarding getting comfortable playing poker in a casino setting.

My only regret is that at the same time there was a bunch of 1/2 NL games going on that I didn't even attempt to play, and my guess is that I passed on 5+ years of extremely profitable fish filled NL tables (before the local scene started dying down thanks to a lot of these fish eventually realizing they suck at the pokers).

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Old 07-23-2015, 07:52 PM   #9692
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My bank roll is now $0 except for $145 I snuck onto an online site. Would anyone like to go HU4rolz? It's time to take a shot.
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Old 07-23-2015, 07:55 PM   #9693
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actually would be happy to play in a $5 HUSNG just for fun if you like. its actually a lot of fun / very soft on Bovada. That is my main game online while i build a roll for 50PLO

($50 HUSNGs are my main game, but would play microstakes for fun with friends)
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Old 07-23-2015, 08:25 PM   #9694
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My bank roll is now $0 except for $145 I snuck onto an online site. Would anyone like to go HU4rolz? It's time to take a shot.
What site?
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Old 07-23-2015, 11:45 PM   #9695
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actually would be happy to play in a $5 HUSNG just for fun if you like. its actually a lot of fun / very soft on Bovada. That is my main game online while i build a roll for 50PLO

($50 HUSNGs are my main game, but would play microstakes for fun with friends)
I said 4rolz you panzy!

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Old 07-24-2015, 01:40 AM   #9696
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I have a funny hand for you guys.

6 handed 1-2nl, it's late around 1.30am most people are semi-drunk. hero covers everyone at the table, biggest fish of the whole city was there tonight, actually didn't give away too much but enough to make some guys really deep.

Drunk casual to my left, very drunk, took a lot of shooters with him and he was also getting beers non-stop the whole night. Very gambly, loose, aggro table.

I open K4o to 10 UTG (lol).
Drunk casual (1k deep) to my left insta 3bets to 20. His range literally ATC at this point.

Everyone folds hero calls.Hero yells no A no Kings!! Flop AdKdKx, everybody burst in laugther.
Hero checks, drunk bets like 30 or 40. Hero calls

Turn 6d completing the fd. Hero checks, drunk insta ships for around 900 more in a 100$ pot...

Hero shows his K, villain throws a card at hero which ends up being the 3d.

Hero tanks and V is just drunk talking lol, he actually showed a spectator his hand earlier too. hero calls. V shows 3d2x lol.

Ps: I know this whole hand is a snap fold 98% of the time, this guy really likes overbet shoving paired board for some reason and he doesn't overbet shove when he has a hand. Kinda funny tho to shove 500bbs with a 3 high fd. Lots of laugh were had after this hand.
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Old 07-24-2015, 02:19 AM   #9697
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I think you just gave me AIDS

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Old 07-24-2015, 03:22 AM   #9698
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I have a funny hand for you guys.

6 handed 1-2nl, it's late around 1.30am most people are semi-drunk. hero covers everyone at the table, biggest fish of the whole city was there tonight, actually didn't give away too much but enough to make some guys really deep.

Drunk casual to my left, very drunk, took a lot of shooters with him and he was also getting beers non-stop the whole night. Very gambly, loose, aggro table.

I open K4o to 10 UTG (lol).
Drunk casual (1k deep) to my left insta 3bets to 20. His range literally ATC at this point.

Everyone folds hero calls.Hero yells no A no Kings!! Flop AdKdKx, everybody burst in laugther.
Hero checks, drunk bets like 30 or 40. Hero calls

Turn 6d completing the fd. Hero checks, drunk insta ships for around 900 more in a 100$ pot...

Hero shows his K, villain throws a card at hero which ends up being the 3d.

Hero tanks and V is just drunk talking lol, he actually showed a spectator his hand earlier too. hero calls. V shows 3d2x lol.

Ps: I know this whole hand is a snap fold 98% of the time, this guy really likes overbet shoving paired board for some reason and he doesn't overbet shove when he has a hand. Kinda funny tho to shove 500bbs with a 3 high fd. Lots of laugh were had after this hand.
Not sure which player is biggest fish in the city...please elaborate
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Old 07-24-2015, 08:08 AM   #9699
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I said 4rolz you panzy!



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