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Old 07-08-2015, 08:45 PM   #9626
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Wait ... is that a 500 hour downswing I see?
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Old 07-08-2015, 08:46 PM   #9627
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Wait ... is that a 500 hour downswing I see?
Sure is/was. Hopefully starting to come out of it.l

Think it is actually more like 325-350 hours. Would have to go back and pinpoint exact time in February when it started to get exact total.

But March (82), April (169) and May (32) were all losing months.
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Old 07-08-2015, 08:53 PM   #9628
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Sure is/was. Hopefully starting to come out of it.l

Think it is actually more like 325-350 hours. Would have to go back and pinpoint exact time in February when it started to get exact total.

But March (82), April (169) and May (32) were all losing months.
Taking the BBJ out, are you still BE over the last 500 hours?
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Old 07-08-2015, 08:54 PM   #9629
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Ugh that sucks.

I've been down every month this year except Feb where I posted a $50 win.

+$327 playing NLHE over 210 hours, for a whopping $1.56/hr

-$2032 playing PLO over 72 hours, -$28.30.

I should quit PLO. But the game is so stupidly juicy if I could just hold up once the money got in.
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Old 07-08-2015, 09:07 PM   #9630
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A fun 100 BE for me, not bragging or whining, just a smart phone idiot trying to figure out how y'all post dem purdy graphs

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Old 07-08-2015, 09:28 PM   #9631
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Nice chip
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Old 07-08-2015, 10:27 PM   #9632
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A fun 100 BE for me, not bragging or whining, just a smart phone idiot trying to figure out how y'all post dem purdy graphs

Yo, is that dollars or BBs on the y-axis?
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Old 07-09-2015, 07:49 AM   #9633
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Yo, is that dollars or BBs on the y-axis?
I wish it was in big blinds but unfortunately its in dollars. I only started playing regularly since the beginning of the year for 8 to 10 hours a week.
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Old 07-09-2015, 08:22 AM   #9634
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Ridiculous 9-session win streak. All 1/3:

Date Hours Profit
5/13/2015 5.18 $260.00
5/20/2015 5.45 $1,855.00
5/27/2015 5.00 $300.00
6/3/2015 5.43 $632.00
6/10/2015 5.18 $1,940.00
6/16/2015 5.55 $510.00
6/24/2015 5.38 $825.00
7/1/2015 5.65 $908.00
7/8/2015 5.58 $425.00

$7655 total
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Old 07-09-2015, 09:01 AM   #9635
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little uptick due to BBJ
You can't be serious dude. Including promotion winnings into your winrate is ridiculous enough, but to go ahead and include BBJP winnings is comically outrageous. Way to give yourself a false sense of confidence.
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Old 07-09-2015, 10:03 AM   #9636
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Is $10.4/hr over 1000 hours over 90% 1/3 and 10% 1/2 and 2/5 combined good enough?
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Old 07-09-2015, 10:17 AM   #9637
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Is $10.4/hr over 1000 hours over 90% 1/3 and 10% 1/2 and 2/5 combined good enough?
Good enough for what? Be specific, son.
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Old 07-09-2015, 11:17 AM   #9638
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You can't be serious dude. Including promotion winnings into your winrate is ridiculous enough, but to go ahead and include BBJP winnings is comically outrageous. Way to give yourself a false sense of confidence.
Of course you should include them. You're paying the tax of the jackpot drop all the time.

Keeping good records means keeping records of everything, not picking and choosing. Although, it *should* be labeled as a different game. So when you plot overall wins and losses it shows up, but when you plot $1/2 only it doesn't.
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Old 07-09-2015, 11:39 AM   #9639
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You can't be serious dude. Including promotion winnings into your winrate is ridiculous enough, but to go ahead and include BBJP winnings is comically outrageous. Way to give yourself a false sense of confidence.
If you had a job that offered you quarterly bonuses would you not include that as your income?
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Old 07-09-2015, 11:47 AM   #9640
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If you had a job that offered you quarterly bonuses would you not include that as your income?
quarterly bonuses =/= lottery winnings
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Old 07-09-2015, 12:13 PM   #9641
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LOL...seriously?

Odds of hitting badbeat jackpot: http://www.pokerlistings.com/strateg...-beat-jackpots

Sure if you really want to consider it as part of your win rate...

You might have better chance to increase your WR by looking for loose change while you're in the casino.
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Old 07-09-2015, 12:18 PM   #9642
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It doesn't really matter what the chances are. You pay extra rake for the chance to hit, and if you do, then it can be included in your overall rate (maybe not necessarily attributed to a particular stake). It's not like you add $1 for every hand you win to your winrate if you are playing at a BBJ casino.

I've won maybe 1000 hands at casinos where extra rake is taken for promotions, and I've hit a players share of a BBJ for $1100, so my accounting of that $1100 (minus tax) probably evens about out.
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Old 07-09-2015, 12:32 PM   #9643
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It doesn't really matter what the chances are. You pay extra rake for the chance to hit, and if you do, then it can be included in your overall rate (maybe not necessarily attributed to a particular stake). It's not like you add $1 for every hand you win to your winrate if you are playing at a BBJ casino.

I've won maybe 1000 hands at casinos where extra rake is taken for promotions, and I've hit a players share of a BBJ for $1100, so my accounting of that $1100 (minus tax) probably evens about out.
Sure, but do you not see the issue of using something that as part of your WR calculation?

Example:

Without BBJ: 1bb/hr

With BBJ: 12bb/hr

Breakeven player is now a crusher?
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Old 07-09-2015, 12:36 PM   #9644
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I put promo winnings into my roll but don't put it towards my results.
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Old 07-09-2015, 12:44 PM   #9645
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Sure, but do you not see the issue of using something that as part of your WR calculation?

Example:

Without BBJ: 1bb/hr

With BBJ: 12bb/hr

Breakeven player is now a crusher?
I guess it just depends on the story you want to tell yourself with your winrate. In your example, if the casino is raking heavily and you think you may be paying 10bb/hour in promo drops, then I don't mind using the:

With BBJ: 12bb/hr

Obviously someone who goes to the casino for the second time and hits the BBJ for 40k at a 1/2 table shouldn't say they win $4000/ hour or whatever.

Optimally you would figure out what you pay in promo drops and what the EV of each dollar paid is and adjust your WR by it regardless of what promos you win.
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Old 07-09-2015, 12:52 PM   #9646
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I guess it just depends on the story you want to tell yourself with your winrate. In your example, if the casino is raking heavily and you think you may be paying 10bb/hour in promo drops, then I don't mind using the:

With BBJ: 12bb/hr

Obviously someone who goes to the casino for the second time and hits the BBJ for 40k at a 1/2 table shouldn't say they win $4000/ hour or whatever.

Optimally you would figure out what you pay in promo drops and what the EV of each dollar paid is and adjust your WR by it regardless of what promos you win.
Seriously? ROFL.

Have you never considered the odds of winning BBJ, even just table share?
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Old 07-09-2015, 12:56 PM   #9647
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I put promo winnings into my roll but don't put it towards my results.
If I ever won a promo, this is what I'd do.

There's a reg in my room who won the 50% of a BBJ a few years ago for around $250k.

He took his new roll and got crushed at $5/10. Then he moved down to $2/5 where he continued to get crushed. The same for $1/2. Now he plays $1/1. I wouldn't be surprised if he's still up from the BBJ win but to consider him a winning player is ludicrous.
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Old 07-09-2015, 01:01 PM   #9648
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Seriously? ROFL.

Have you never considered the odds of winning BBJ, even just table share?
The only reason the odds matter is how they play into EV.

I'm not arguing that a terrible player that hits the BBJ to put himself into profit can be considered a long-term winner. There is value however in knowing how much you actually made from playing poker (including promos), aside from what you calculate your hourly to most likely be going forward.
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Old 07-09-2015, 01:03 PM   #9649
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+$327 playing NLHE over 210 hours, for a whopping $1.56/hr
Lol, I'm in a similar boat this year. I'm destroying your winrate by posting an incredibly impressive and bragworthy $4.93/hr over 267 hours in my 1/3 NL game.

Glolz@2015G
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Old 07-09-2015, 01:03 PM   #9650
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When I sit down I know I have to pay a fee to do so (rake). So my hourly isn't based on what it would be if I played rake free poker because that doesn't exist. If you wanna give yourself inflated fairy tale numbers based on what you would make if you didn't have to pay rake and promo money be my guest.
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