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Old 06-25-2015, 09:49 AM   #9451
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Max BI is also $300 at my room for 1/2. So if $20/hr at $200 max is considered crushing does that make $30/hr at $300 max long-term sustainable?

I don't think I am doing anything special to attain this win-rate right now. Wouldn't say I'm on a heater or anything. I just try to avoid mistakes at all costs, rarely get felted (unless it's a missed draw or something), don't chase marginal spots and routinely fold top-pair when it becomes obvious (to me at least) that it's no good.

Money saved is money earned and I see a lot of regs that I think could be "good" but they make at least one horrible call for their stack every session that destroys hours of decent play.
I think this is spot on, also if you are able to table/game select to find regs you can exploit the hell out of, or cut out of bad games easily, $30/hr+ should be sustainable.
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Old 06-25-2015, 09:59 AM   #9452
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I think this is spot on, also if you are able to table/game select to find regs you can exploit the hell out of, or cut out of bad games easily, $30/hr+ should be sustainable.
Or withhold a tip to record a $1 session?
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Old 06-25-2015, 10:44 AM   #9453
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lol, that was actually at a self-deal game.
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Old 06-25-2015, 12:04 PM   #9454
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Max BI is also $300 at my room for 1/2. So if $20/hr at $200 max is considered crushing does that make $30/hr at $300 max long-term sustainable?
Most people don't understand that average BI, average stacks at the table, time of the day, and day of the week all contribute to WR.
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Old 06-25-2015, 12:28 PM   #9455
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Most people don't understand that average BI, average stacks at the table, time of the day, and day of the week all contribute to WR.
I guess other caveats include that I table change to tables with average stacks of $200+ if I get stuck at a short stacking table and my sessions usually take place from 9pm - 3am so I am usually involved in games that start getting loose and gambooly late night. A lot of nights I'll be stuck early and then clean up in the last hour or two. It sucks going to work the next day on a few hours of sleep but hey, it's necessary sometimes.
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Old 06-25-2015, 12:47 PM   #9456
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Sounds like it is possible.
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Old 06-25-2015, 06:42 PM   #9457
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Keep crushing johnny
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Old 06-25-2015, 09:03 PM   #9458
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How many hours are you at to be running at that hourly? I am in that same range over 500 hours and wasn't sure if I am just crushing my 1/2 games(uncapped buyin), or I am just running super hot. It's hard to be objective.

I also feel the same way about taking shots at 2/5, it is much more emotionally tough to make the moves you KNOW you can make for $200 bluffs rather than $500 bluffs
This is over 340 hours or so. I played break even in 2014 over 350 hours but that involved a run up to $4000 followed by going bust. I made a big lifestyle change in February 2015 which basically consisted of stopping drinking while playing poker. I used to get ridiculously drunk 1 out of every 3 times I played and on a "normal" night I would have 5-8 beers. Total 2015 is around 400 hours at $20/hour but I had a really bad January which pushed me to make the lifestyle change.

I realized if I wanted to make poker a serious hobby and potentially a source of serious income I had to cut out the drinking, as much as I love being a lush. Ever since I stopped drinking I have been crushing 1/2. None of the 1/2 regs scare me, I feel like I am in control at all times, my boredom tilt is non-existant, hand selection is solid, I just let the game come to me now. If that means folding all night, so be it. If that means raising AK/AQ all night and missing the flop and c-bets not taking it down, so be it.

I spend a lot more time thinking about how to exploit certain player types these days. 1/2 is fun, but I know I want to move up sooner or rather than later. I am targeting 2016. I think I have enough to work on to get me through 2015.

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Old 06-26-2015, 08:48 AM   #9459
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Great stuff, johnny!

That said, in my experience the player pool at $2/5 is not much different than $1/2. The aggression is slightly higher, but you'll see a lot of the same leaks, just with more money behind them. You've got the BR to play $2/5 regularly - take more shots. That's the only way you'll get more comfortable.

Sounds like you've conquered boredom tilt - now you have to conquer confidence tilt!
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Old 06-26-2015, 04:15 PM   #9460
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Paging mr. wj94 for win rate check
Haven't played much 1/2 lately, mostly OFC and 2/5. 1/2 update:






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wj94 is the greatest 1/2 player in Vegas that has never moved up.
Just hit 500 hours of 2/5:

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Old 06-26-2015, 04:26 PM   #9461
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Very nice - hoping I can keep mine near there after the next 500 hours.
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Old 06-26-2015, 06:28 PM   #9462
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jeez that 1/2 WR at 1000+ hours is insane. 300 max?
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Old 06-26-2015, 09:15 PM   #9463
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jeez that 1/2 WR at 1000+ hours is insane. 300 max?
All $300 max, only time I play 100bb max is the odd 2/5 session at B once in a blue moon.
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Old 06-27-2015, 12:20 AM   #9464
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All $300 max, only time I play 100bb max is the odd 2/5 session at B once in a blue moon.
Sick results dude, congratz.

How long did it take to reach 1000hrs at 1/2 and 500hrs at 2/5?
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Old 06-27-2015, 12:33 AM   #9465
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I finally hit 500+ hours of tracked results last night. This is only 1/2 and 1/3, $300 max buyin. I only play once a week, for 5-6 hours per session, aside from the 1/year vacation to the casino where I log 12 hours/day for 4-5 days.



I think my winrate is reflective of table selection skills and controlling momentum with an adaptable LAG style.
Gratz on hitting 500hrs.

How have the games changed since 2013 in your opinion?
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Old 06-27-2015, 11:31 AM   #9466
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Gratz on hitting 500hrs.

How have the games changed since 2013 in your opinion?
Good question. Maybe in a general sense games have gotten slightly more aggressive (rec players know they should be cbetting almost always) and I've seen some call stations start to make decent laydowns.

So yeah the games have gotten tougher in that rec players maybe have started to adapt to the TAG style, but adjustments can always be made to stay ahead of the metagame.

500 hours since late 2013 also isn't a very big or concentrated sample so I could have some selection bias. I also play in a small player pool aside from trips to vegas/AC.
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Old 06-27-2015, 07:58 PM   #9467
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haven't played many sessions in June but ...



definitely a sustainable 1/2 win rate

* no sets during this time
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Old 06-27-2015, 08:19 PM   #9468
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Yeah my june winrate for 1/3 is totally sustainable.

21.5 hours
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$181/hour
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Old 06-27-2015, 08:29 PM   #9469
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Yeah my june winrate for 1/3 is totally sustainable.

21.5 hours
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haha keep it up as long as you can!
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Old 06-28-2015, 12:10 AM   #9470
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Hey guys,

I just recently graduated college and have played live poker on and off during college. But, now I want to get serious about it as a hobby. I've paid off most of my debits, but, I should have at least 20 buy-ins at 1-2 correct? So around $4000 ? Should I wait until I save up that much or should I play when I have $2000. What happens if I get crushed? Just take a break and study up more? Thanks for all the help.
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Old 06-28-2015, 12:46 AM   #9471
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If you have cash flow (aka "a job") - there are no roll requirements for 1/2
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Old 06-28-2015, 05:55 AM   #9472
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some remarkable low stakes win rates itt
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Old 06-29-2015, 01:33 PM   #9473
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some remarkable low stakes win rates itt
Ya, there are some awesome ones.

My guess is posting bias (people with awesome winrates are more likely to post theirs than those with less awesome ones), and sample size.

Gbutstill,veryimpressiveG
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Old 06-29-2015, 03:18 PM   #9474
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Haven't played much 1/2 lately, mostly OFC and 2/5. 1/2 update:






Just hit 500 hours of 2/5:
Holy ****! Apparently I need to pay more attention to your strat posts. Very nice work.
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Old 06-29-2015, 07:43 PM   #9475
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Oh absolutely, because if you have good result, you must be a good poster.
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