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Old 03-26-2015, 08:39 PM   #9151
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on a sick heater right now. up 16 buyins at 200max over 40 hours. 8 sessions at 5 hours a piece. 8 winning sessions in a row also. Just like stated above I should not put too much stock into this correct?

Important thing being that I am playing solid, feeling confident and getting my money in good against droolers.
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Old 03-26-2015, 09:02 PM   #9152
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on a sick heater right now. up 16 buyins at 200max over 40 hours. 8 sessions at 5 hours a piece. 8 winning sessions in a row also. Just like stated above I should not put too much stock into this correct?

Important thing being that I am playing solid, feeling confident and getting my money in good against droolers.
Congrats on your heater.

Your probably a winner to have this sort of swing but its hard to really say. 40 hours is like nothing.
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Old 03-26-2015, 09:10 PM   #9153
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on a sick heater right now. up 16 buyins at 200max over 40 hours. 8 sessions at 5 hours a piece. 8 winning sessions in a row also. Just like stated above I should not put too much stock into this correct?

Important thing being that I am playing solid, feeling confident and getting my money in good against droolers.
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Old 03-26-2015, 09:28 PM   #9154
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Hey minvalue, GTFO out of my part of the forum.
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Old 03-26-2015, 09:47 PM   #9155
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Hey minvalue, GTFO out of my part of the forum.
I believe you meant to direct this at those CoC Poker Degen fellows, I will forgive the slight
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Old 03-26-2015, 09:47 PM   #9156
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Had my first grand day at 1/2 NL in a very very long time last night. The key hand was a $1,500 pot with A 3 on a final board of A J 3 4 J. When the river hit, I thought I was dead but my opponent had shoved the turn with K Q and managed to push out the other player who folded a bigger Ace. Whew!

My games have a $500 cap and some of the, uh, most casual players around. I'd put the ceiling in these games for an expert player at $40/hr and a solid player should be earning $20-$25/hr. Deeper stacks mean more chances for players to make bigger mistakes later in hands where they're not used to having lots of money behind.

If you don't already play deeper against poor players at these levels, I highly recommend getting more comfortable doing so. You're missing out on some very profitable situations and if you hope to move up, you'll soon find yourself in games where you'll have to know how to play deep. Best to learn those skills at the small levels where mistakes aren't so costly.

Another benefit of deep stacked play: The rake goes from being significant to a minor annoyance. You pay $0 in rake for any money that goes in after the first $100, why would you not want to do that as much as possible?

That's all, carry on.
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yeah 1/2 500 cap sounds pretty juicy. 1/2 here is 100-300 and that can be plenty profitable. When picking a table I first go for the one with the most money on it. It's almost always the best.
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Old 03-26-2015, 09:51 PM   #9157
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I believe you meant to direct this at those CoC Poker Degen fellows, I will forgive the slight

I kid. Welcome.
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Old 03-26-2015, 11:40 PM   #9158
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yeah 1/2 500 cap sounds pretty juicy. 1/2 here is 100-300 and that can be plenty profitable. When picking a table I first go for the one with the most money on it. It's almost always the best.
I'm getting to the point where I'm going to be taking shots at the 2/5 NL (1000 max) that runs regularly but having looked at the tables every now and then, there is often 1/2 tables that have as many or more chips at any given time. I'd much rather play a deep 1/2 against worse opponents than a shorter stacked 2/5 (relatively).

That said, the overall earning potential on the 2/5 is going to be greater the majority of the time. I'll have to keep an eye open for juicy 1/2 games if I do make the move to 2/5.
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Old 03-27-2015, 01:23 AM   #9159
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Earning potential is higher in that 2/5 game regardless of stack sizes though.
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Old 03-27-2015, 02:21 AM   #9160
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Earning potential is higher in that 2/5 game regardless of stack sizes though.

Okay, why?
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Old 03-27-2015, 11:29 AM   #9161
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He did say potential. If you are the best player at a 2/5 table you're going to make more than you could at nearly any 1/2 table.

But if you're not then 1/2 could certainly be better. Especially if there's just one 2/5 table but several 1/2 tables.
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Old 03-27-2015, 11:47 AM   #9162
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The Seminole Hard Rock in Tampa seems to have five tables of 2/5 NL running pretty regularly throughout the week. Max buyin is 1K.

I read that 20 BI's is recommended, so I should have 20K socked aside just for this game if I want to play for a living (it seems many other locations cap the buyin at $500 so people usually go with a 10K roll)?
Buy in for $500, have a 10K roll. At 20K buy in for 1K when the situation calls for it.

These types of games create weird dynamics where several players buy in for $200, some $300-$500, and like 1 or 2 MAYBE buy in for $1K, but those are mostly competent regs. The average stack size at the table is still ~$300. You want to be buying in deep when other players "become" deep and have no clue wtf they are doing or how much ceramic they now have in front of them.

Also still play the 1/2s or at least scout them if you are there late on fri/sat evenings as they can get really, really good. There is no level beneath you as a poker player, only money to earn.

Also, don't play for a living.
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Old 03-27-2015, 11:54 AM   #9163
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Also, don't play for a living.
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Old 03-27-2015, 11:59 AM   #9164
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I live to play!
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Old 03-27-2015, 02:41 PM   #9165
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My first 100 hours of NLHE after playing LHE for years. Made the switch due to a relocation and my new local casino having no LHE games. Any thoughts? Anything meaningful that I can take from this? Thanks in advance.


can someone tell me which tracker this application is?
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Old 03-27-2015, 02:44 PM   #9166
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Old 03-29-2015, 07:02 AM   #9167
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Won a high-hand jackpot last night of $400. Include in win-rate or not?
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Won a high-hand jackpot last night of $400. Include in win-rate or not?
Do whatever you want.
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Old 03-29-2015, 09:11 AM   #9169
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Found an unused cigarette on the ground. Include in winrate or not?
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Old 03-29-2015, 09:33 AM   #9170
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Found an unused cigarette on the ground. Include in winrate or not?
lol. The dilemma is that we factor in paying rake and in this case, there is also a $1/hand "jackpot" drop which includes all their promos like the bad beat, high hand, etc.

So since one is paying a fee into the "jackpot" does one include the high hand in their win rate or not?
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Old 03-29-2015, 12:54 PM   #9171
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I think you should include jackpots you have a reasonable expectation of winning as a regular player (such as high hand, mini-bbj, etc) and only exclude things like BBJs you may never seen in a decade.

track them separately if you can, maybe in the future you change your mind and don't want to count it anymore.
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Old 03-29-2015, 02:58 PM   #9172
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track them separately if you can, maybe in the future you change your mind and don't want to count it anymore.
List these things as separate games/categories. Give you flexibility when you go back an analyze things.
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Old 03-29-2015, 03:10 PM   #9173
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I would not add it into your winnings but would track it separately. Most of us don't play long enough for these types of lump sum winnings to blend into our winrate properly. Simply treat the jackpot drop as part of the rake and understand that if you move somewhere with less rake/jackpot taken out, your winrate will increase.

A $1/hand drop is not the primary factor in your winrate, you are.
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Old 03-29-2015, 09:26 PM   #9174
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Not sure if I should make a new thread for this or not.

I'm an architect and I've been playing live 1/2 and 1/3 since January. My sample size is obviously still really small yet but I want to see if anyone can make anything of my current stats.




I know 90 hours is not enough to determine anything, but any feedback would be great. I know I'm not a great player, but I feel like I have had a lot of bad luck in my last several sessions. Like getting all-in with the nuts only to be boated up on. I do believe that if I continue playing I will eventually win over a long period of time. But I'm finding it's nearly impossible to get people to fold their flush or straight draws at these games I play in. It's almost like I need to tighten up even more and only play the nittiest possible game in order to win. I have plugged one major leak that I had early on, which is paying people off on the river when I know I'm beat. I'm studying every week and I feel like my game is definitely improving. One of the big edges I've found in these games is sitting to the left of LAG players who will bet with nothing and call all your raises.

Here's my rough pre-flop opening range (this obviously varies depending on villains, e.g. I'll loosen up a bit at a tight table and tighten up at a loose one):

Blinds: AKs, QQ+
EP: JJ+, AJ+
MP: 88+, T9s+, KJ+, AJo+, ATs+
LP: 55+, 87s+, QT+, KTs+, A8s+, 98o+, AJo+
BTN: 22+, 56s+, J9s+, KTs+, K9s+, Axs, A8o+, 87o+, T8o+

My pre-flop 3bet range is very tight. I'm usually only 3-betting AK, KQs, or JJ+. It loosens up a little bit if I'm on the BTN, then I might consider 3-betting something like JTs+ 1/3 of the time.

I'll typically limp a lot of low pocket pairs and suited connectors from MP and LP.

I try to play a pretty tight ABC game and throw in a few semi-bluffs here or there. I will fold to a cbet or post-flop 3bet most of the time if my cards don't hit. At the same time, I don't think I'm the most predictable player at the table. I try to do things to throw people off here or there like 3-betting with 87s in MP or limping JJ.

One thing I find really hard to do is to leave a game when I'm behind after a few hours. Like if I'm down $100 after 5 hours I'll sit there until I go bust rather than just going home.

Any feedback is very much appreciated!
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Old 03-29-2015, 09:48 PM   #9175
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I do believe that if I continue playing I will eventually win over a long period of time. But I'm finding it's nearly impossible to get people to fold their flush or straight draws at these games I play in. It's almost like I need to tighten up even more and only play the nittiest possible game in order to win.

Any feedback is very much appreciated!
Small sample size, but heading in the wrong direction.

My advice is to take lots of notes, read everything you can, post interesting hands on live low stakes forum to get feedback from others, etc.

As for people chasing flush and straight draws, you want them to call. Key is ensure you deny them the correct odds to chase and learn to not pay them off as much when they hit, this denying them the implied odds.

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