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Old 03-02-2015, 01:18 AM   #9076
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begin:100 bank

day 1 +100
day 2 +100
day 3 +128
day 4 -120
day 5 +120
day 6 +114
day 7 +160
day 8 +270
day 9 +75

What I do think is interesting in jackroyals post is how small his std deviation is: 101.

An example of my $1/2 data set for february:
{416.00,658.00,56.00,-470.00,195.00,25.00,400.00,24.00,-625.00,75.00,572.00,-400.00,832.00,300.00,510.00,68.00,-400.00,413.00,-400.00} = $423.

It's interesting to me that JR's has such a small std deviation. He must be playing an extremely, extremely, nitty/passive game.
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Old 03-02-2015, 06:57 AM   #9077
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How much will an increase/decrease of 1$ in a 10% rake affect winrate assuming all other variables remain constant?
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Old 03-02-2015, 06:00 PM   #9078
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What I do think is interesting in jackroyals post is how small his std deviation is: 101.

An example of my $1/2 data set for february:
{416.00,658.00,56.00,-470.00,195.00,25.00,400.00,24.00,-625.00,75.00,572.00,-400.00,832.00,300.00,510.00,68.00,-400.00,413.00,-400.00} = $423.

It's interesting to me that JR's has such a small std deviation. He must be playing an extremely, extremely, nitty/passive game.
What is your hourly std deviation? JR's 9 sessions sample size is way too little to draw conclusions imo.
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Old 03-02-2015, 06:50 PM   #9079
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How much will an increase/decrease of 1$ in a 10% rake affect winrate assuming all other variables remain constant?
I would guesstimate it would have a $2/hr affect on our winrate. Sorta assuming we ship 2 pots an hour due to our fair share at a 10 handed table playing 30 hands an hour being 3 pots an hour but we're probably playing tighter than everyone else / more apt to fold the winning hand in small pots than others.

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Old 03-02-2015, 10:03 PM   #9080
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I have kind of a silly question. On the very first page of this thread there is a link to another thread about 20 buyins to play a certain level. My question is does that mean 20 BI's if you bought in for the max? Around where I live there are 1-2 games that have a max buying of $200, $300, or $400. So say my BR is $4k I should only play the 1-2 with a max buyin of $200?
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Old 03-02-2015, 10:09 PM   #9081
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I think they are assumng 100BBs Taj
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Old 03-02-2015, 10:27 PM   #9082
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They generally assume 100BB.

If you're buying in for more you should have a larger roll.

Play whatever game you is best. Buying in for $200 in a juicy $400 max game is *much* better than sitting with $200 in a ****ty $200 max game.

But they're also assuming that you have no way to replenish your role if you go bust. If you can tap some "life money" to keep playing you can get away with a smaller "bankroll".
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Old 03-02-2015, 10:55 PM   #9083
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They generally assume 100BB.

If you're buying in for more you should have a larger roll.

Play whatever game you is best. Buying in for $200 in a juicy $400 max game is *much* better than sitting with $200 in a ****ty $200 max game.

But they're also assuming that you have no way to replenish your role if you go bust. If you can tap some "life money" to keep playing you can get away with a smaller "bankroll".
I am able to take some life money so if I wanted to play the $300 or $400 max buyins what would be a good BR?
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Old 03-02-2015, 11:21 PM   #9084
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They generally assume 100BB.

If you're buying in for more you should have a larger roll.
While the rest of what Angrist said is accurate, it is NOT TRUE that your bankroll requirements go up if you choose to buy in for more than 100 big blinds.

Bankroll management is not about buying. BRM is about how many big blinds that you have in your roll.
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Old 03-03-2015, 04:17 AM   #9085
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While the rest of what Angrist said is accurate, it is NOT TRUE that your bankroll requirements go up if you choose to buy in for more than 100 big blinds.

Bankroll management is not about buying. BRM is about how many big blinds that you have in your roll.

Eh. It's entirely different playing deep vs playing shallow. If you're buying in twice as deep any hand that goes wrong will hurt twice as much. That's also why most people have "X% of your BR in play" limits.

I'd need to see some really convincing math to believe that the buy in size has zero bearing on your BR requirements.
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Old 03-03-2015, 04:25 AM   #9086
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You should probably have a slightly bigger bankroll if you are buying in deep but I don't think it should be substantially different.

How big a game plays is largely based on bet sizing which is mainly based on blind level. Obviously if someone buys in for $1000 at 2/5 they are going to have far less variance than someone that buys in for $1000 in 5/10. In fact, someone that buys in for $500 at 5/10 is going to experience much higher variance than someone that buys in for $1000 at 2/5.
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Old 03-05-2015, 08:26 AM   #9087
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My bankroll got decimated due to an illness followed by some serious runbad. I made ~$18/hour over ~40K hands in 2014 and had a healthy br. Since recovering from a bad illness, I'm on the downswing from hell in 2015. Long story short, I've got $300 left.

I'm trying to figure out the best strategy to build up again. What poker strategy would you use if you had $300 left with no immediate way to re-seed your roll? What adjustments would you make (if any)?

Here's my plan:

*Bum hunt - find the worst possible player with the most money
*Nut Peddle - Flop the nuts and shovel money in.
*Avoid +EV, high variance lines (things like not 3-betting AK from SB)
*Break the remaining BR into BIs of $120/$120/$80 ($120 allows for set mining)
*Hope to run like God

I'd appreciate any thoughts or suggestions.
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Old 03-05-2015, 08:57 AM   #9088
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Old 03-05-2015, 08:57 AM   #9089
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game selection. Find a great game and play tight. Even better, find or host some small stakes home games and invite every fish you can find.
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Old 03-05-2015, 10:07 AM   #9090
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If by worst player you mean a loose passive that calls down with bottom pair and only shows aggression when he has a strong hand then I agree. However, my take is that playing against terrible players is often higher variance. If bankroll were an issue I'd rather play in a calm limpy game with players that play their hands face up. Definitely want to nut peddle when stacks go in.

Regardless, you will need to employ a hit and run strategy. Good luck!
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Old 03-05-2015, 10:56 AM   #9091
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300 with no way to replenish is crazy high risk of ruin. Playing short buy-in guarantees you can never even call a raise with correct odds to set mine.

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Old 03-05-2015, 11:07 AM   #9092
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Hope to run like god.

Tbh with 300 you are pretty much bus to unless you can find small 25-50nl home games to grind in.
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Old 03-05-2015, 11:24 AM   #9093
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Old 03-05-2015, 11:33 AM   #9094
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get a job

if your strat is to just nut peddle vs a fish then dont break up the buy in, just hope to double a lot.
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Old 03-05-2015, 12:07 PM   #9095
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if your strat is to just nut peddle vs a fish then dont break up the buy in, just hope to double a lot.
That's the primary decision. I wasn't sure if breaking up the buy-in was a good idea or a bad idea.
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Old 03-05-2015, 12:22 PM   #9096
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game selection. Find a great game and play tight. Even better, find or host some small stakes home games and invite every fish you can find.
And make sure to rake the hell out of them.
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Old 03-05-2015, 12:46 PM   #9097
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My bankroll got decimated due to an illness followed by some serious runbad. I made ~$18/hour over ~40K hands in 2014 and had a healthy br. Since recovering from a bad illness, I'm on the downswing from hell in 2015. Long story short, I've got $300 left.
You burned through over $20k?

I would suggest not playing with your $300 "roll."
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Old 03-05-2015, 01:08 PM   #9098
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That's the primary decision. I wasn't sure if breaking up the buy-in was a good idea or a bad idea.
What's your plan if you lose the $300 (via cooler/suckout/etc)?
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Old 03-05-2015, 02:54 PM   #9099
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Risk of ruin is much much higher if you don't break the roll up in 3 pieces like you did. (it's super high regardless)
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Old 03-05-2015, 03:01 PM   #9100
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by breaking up the buy in he just forces himself into more marginal spots and if he does run hot and hit the nuts vs a fish he gets the least value. he also ends up paying more rake relative to his potential profit. his only chance is to buy in full.

edit: under most rake structures at least

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