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Old 02-13-2015, 10:02 PM   #9026
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honestly my man 99%+ % of people that try to gambool 4 a livin fail and there are multiple reasons for that. Saying that I want to play these games but I never have what kind of roll do I need needs some one like me to say whats up. For a lot of people in these forums the roll to play 1/2 is really important $. And trying to gamble with it is pure folly

I have been in the biz for a long time and have seen 100's crash and burn. I am currently in the process of watching one do this for the second time. And it will happen - he has zero chance. Its sad to watch but it happens EVERY day.

Thinking that hey I read 2p2 - I have a roll - these guys are all droolers - all I have to do is show up and print $ - is not how it really is

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Old 02-13-2015, 10:02 PM   #9027
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honestly my man 99%+ % of people that try to gambool 4 a livin fail and there are multiple reasons for that. Saying that I want to play these games but I never have what kind of roll do I need needs some one like me to say whats up. For a lot of people in these forums the roll to play 1/2 is really important $. And trying to gamble with it is pure folly

I have been in the biz for a long time and have seen 100's crash and burn. I am currently in the process of watching one do this for the second time. And it will happen - he has zero chance. Its sad to watch but it happens EVERY day.

Thinking that hey I read 2p2 - I have a roll - these guys are all droolers - all I have to do is show up and print $ - is not how it really is

Just sayin
I'm not ignorant. I know cash is a completely different game then tourneys. I don't expect to show up to a game and just print money. I asked this question because I want to make sure I give myself the best chance to succeed. I know there will be a huge learning curve and downswings are bound to happen. I'm trying to plan ahead and keep a poker bankroll separate from my living finances in order to make the girl happy. She's super supportive, I just need ideas on how much is a good starting point.
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Old 02-13-2015, 11:03 PM   #9028
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Thinking that hey I read 2p2 - I have a roll - these guys are all droolers - all I have to do is show up and print $
Take out the having a br part, and this is all I do.
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Old 02-14-2015, 11:18 PM   #9029
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what would be a reasonable estimate range for an hourly that you might expect a decent winner at the 50nl 6max games online to have at the live 1/2 games?

im not talking about a guy who wins 1-2bb/100 at 50nl 6max just because he memorized some moves that might not translate to different scenarios... but someone who has a decent grasp of the fundamentals and theories as to why to raise/call... why to bet/fold.. etc... and can adjust to the different conditions that live players represent.

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Old 02-15-2015, 01:46 AM   #9030
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what would be a reasonable estimate range for an hourly that you might expect a decent winner at the 50nl 6max games online to have at the live 1/2 games?

im not talking about a guy who wins 1-2bb/100 at 50nl 6max just because he memorized some moves that might not translate to different scenarios... but someone who has a decent grasp of the fundamentals and theories as to why to raise/call... why to bet/fold.. etc... and can adjust to the different conditions that live players represent.

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Probably nothing.

The slow pace and obnoxious behavior of live degenerates coupled with the massive rake makes the 1/2 game probably the worst game ever.
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Old 02-15-2015, 01:59 AM   #9031
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what would be a reasonable estimate range for an hourly that you might expect a decent winner at the 50nl 6max games online to have at the live 1/2 games?

im not talking about a guy who wins 1-2bb/100 at 50nl 6max just because he memorized some moves that might not translate to different scenarios... but someone who has a decent grasp of the fundamentals and theories as to why to raise/call... why to bet/fold.. etc... and can adjust to the different conditions that live players represent.

thanks in advance
10 bb/hr is reasonable if you're a strong player. As some others have said $1/2 is just a game where extreme patience and excellent fundamentals get you the win. Play tight and be patient.

This is hard if you spend a lot of time studying to beat TAGs and if you play online with lots of tables, because none of that applies to the often slow, passive world of LLSNL play.

Patience and tight abc is poker is the way to go. Finding spots to bluff can help you crush the game, but you need to be excellent at reading passive players, which isn't always easy when live passives are checking the relative nuts on dry boards and limp calling both with ****ty and premium hands.
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Old 02-15-2015, 02:24 AM   #9032
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what would be a reasonable estimate range for an hourly that you might expect a decent winner at the 50nl 6max games online to have at the live 1/2 games?

im not talking about a guy who wins 1-2bb/100 at 50nl 6max just because he memorized some moves that might not translate to different scenarios... but someone who has a decent grasp of the fundamentals and theories as to why to raise/call... why to bet/fold.. etc... and can adjust to the different conditions that live players represent.

thanks in advance
It really just depends how well the online player adapts to the live game. If the online player is really good at beating other competent opponents but leaks money against the spots due to running too many bluffs or w/e then that player will have a tough time adjusting since a standard live $1/$2 table has like 6-7 spots and where most pots go multiway as opposed to heads up online. Then there's the issue of giving off live tells since clicking buttons behind a computer is much different than physically putting money in the pot against V who is just a few feet away or less.
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Old 02-15-2015, 12:36 PM   #9033
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If you're a good player you'll be able to adjust. If you're not you won't. Pretty simple.

10-15bb/hr is attainable.
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Old 02-15-2015, 06:24 PM   #9034
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Rob on the road to busto?
Not as long as I keep my side hustle on Fremont st letting tourists kick me in the groin for 20$ a pop.
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Old 02-15-2015, 06:32 PM   #9035
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Not as long as I keep my side hustle on Fremont st letting tourists kick me in the groin for 20$ a pop.
ive seen the guys with those signs, but never actually seen anyone take them up on it. does it actually happen? how does that work??
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Old 02-15-2015, 06:44 PM   #9036
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Not as long as I keep my side hustle on Fremont st letting tourists kick me in the groin for 20$ a pop.
That's good to hear. Glad the ball kicking economy is booming again.
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Old 02-15-2015, 08:24 PM   #9037
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Is this rake beatable?

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Just a quick question about the rake at the only casino in town. The rake is $5 hourly in addition to 10% capped at $10 per pot. Is this rake even beatable? Table is 10 max 1/2 NLHE.
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Old 02-15-2015, 08:39 PM   #9038
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QRM, you in Oz? That rake is horribad, but the players in Australia are bad enough that a decent player can beat it. As to whether you can at your current skill level, I obv have no idea.
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Old 02-15-2015, 08:50 PM   #9039
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Old 02-15-2015, 09:04 PM   #9040
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QRM, you in Oz? That rake is horribad, but the players in Australia are bad enough that a decent player can beat it. As to whether you can at your current skill level, I obv have no idea.
Yes, Australian casinos are the worst.
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Old 02-15-2015, 09:22 PM   #9041
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I hear there are no tips in Australia though.
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Old 02-16-2015, 04:38 AM   #9042
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Not as long as I keep my side hustle on Fremont st letting tourists kick me in the groin for 20$ a pop.
$20 is quite expensive. 2 kicks for $30?
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Old 02-16-2015, 04:41 AM   #9043
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Just a quick question about the rake at the only casino in town. The rake is $5 hourly in addition to 10% capped at $10 per pot. Is this rake even beatable? Table is 10 max 1/2 NLHE.
Star? Def beatable. 1/2 play there is lol bad
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Old 02-16-2015, 04:46 AM   #9044
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I hear there are no tips in Australia though.
Correct. Banned by the govt to prevent collusion

Can tip bar and wait staff but not gaming staff
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Old 02-16-2015, 01:21 PM   #9045
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Not as long as I keep my side hustle on Fremont st letting tourists kick me in the groin for 20$ a pop.
Lol, I originally read "lick".

Gyou'reundersellingyourself,imoG
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Old 02-21-2015, 02:48 AM   #9046
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$1270 over 137 hours for $9.27/h and break even for 85 hours. What's a good sample size for live 1/2? I know I'm not even close.
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Old 02-21-2015, 02:58 AM   #9047
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How does 1/2 PLO compare to 1/2 NL live?

I've heard the PLO games are insanely soft and playing nitty will crush. True? Might try one out tomorrow if it's running.

I assume BRM should be double for PLO or does that not apply to LLS games?

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Old 02-21-2015, 03:09 AM   #9048
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$1270 over 137 hours for $9.27/h and break even for 85 hours. What's a good sample size for live 1/2? I know I'm not even close.
Sample size way too small. Easy to go on a heater/downswing for 100 hours.
I think a minimum is 500 hours before any statistics start becoming meaningful. (Scroll back, I posted some graphs that show the volatility in calculated winrate over a moving 100 hour window from my 3000 hour log.)


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How does 1/2 PLO compare to 1/2 NL live?

I've heard the PLO games are insanely soft and playing nitty will crush. True? Might try one out tomorrow if it's running.
SUUUPER soft. But still super big.

A lot of hold'em players don't understand the relative hand strengths in PLO and commit way too much with trash like bottom 2-pair and middle set. A good number misread the board and their hand. Some fold winners at showdown, others simply commit with a single card flush or think they have a boat on a double paired board.

If you're kind of nitty and pick your spots for aggression well you can crush. Although you will occasionally lose some pretty big pots getting out-drawn, or if you commit with the second or third nuts against a drooler.

The single best thing about playing PLO with these kinds of players is what a dealer friend of mine calls "pot face". It's when a new player declares "POT", only to be told some number 3-4 times larger than they thought it would be. The look when they realize that the bet is now $50, or $200, or $780 is just priceless.
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Old 02-21-2015, 03:07 PM   #9049
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My first 100 hours of NLHE after playing LHE for years. Made the switch due to a relocation and my new local casino having no LHE games. Any thoughts? Anything meaningful that I can take from this? Thanks in advance.


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Old 02-21-2015, 07:19 PM   #9050
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My first 100 hours of NLHE after playing LHE for years. Made the switch due to a relocation and my new local casino having no LHE games. Any thoughts? Anything meaningful that I can take from this? Thanks in advance.


Nah man, 100 hours is just not enough time to fairly judge. Just keep studying, reading, and playing. Always look for small edges to improve your game. Be objective in analyzing your game.
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