At the games I play in around 650 comes off the table per hour.

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I'm in the wrong business.

Don't forget the game plays as big as 10/20. That makes a huge difference.

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We all know tilt kills winrate, duh, but tilt also magnifies variance. So reduce tilt = reduce variance.

Hey guys I just have a couple questions. I'm mainly a live tournament player but I've been thinking about getting into cash games more just to hopefully add a little more vacation money to my bank account. I have a full time job that pays all of my bills. My goal is to start out at 1-2 or 1-3 and work my way up to 2-5 or higher. Since I don't need poker money to pay bills what kind of bankroll should I have? Whats a pretty standard number of BI's for a player that could eventually reload if they go completely broke, which I'd rather not do?

I know cash is completely different from tourneys so can you guys point me in the right direction for some basic strategies to use. Thanks in advance.

I'd start with 1k and make sure to not run bad (lol) unless you really don't want to "reload" your br, then you prob need 1k6-2k. 8-10 bi roll is plenty imo.

Completely dependent on your win rate. If you're a loser then it won't matter. If you're a slight winner you need a much bigger roll. If you crush well then you probably don't need as much to start.

I don't have a clue what my win rate is since I've never really played these games for an amount of time that would give an accurate example.

Thanks, I was thinking higher then that more like 6k range or would that be over rolled?

If your goal is to "work your way up", 6k is way overrolled.

Of course, if you have that much spare cash, you can always cash it out and buy fancy stuff.

I personally keep my roll at around 4k with the occasional 2/5 shots when it runs (very rarely) but I havent had 1k+ downswing ever at 1/2, once at 2/5 and just went back to 1/2.

4k roll would be sufficient for 1/2. But u would be unlikely to go broke with a $2k roll if you planned to grow it. $6k would be a good roll for 1/3..

well if u have never "played these games" How the hell can people advise u on a roll size. Most likely it will need to be infinite cuz u prolly will not beat them when you start

Thanks

So rude! It's a very fair question for a new person to ask how much to set aside to start playing 1/2. That said, you do make a good point.

TAJ may very well be a losing player and has a real possibility of burning through any mini-bankroll before he starts to establish a winrate.

TAJ, I was in the same spot when I started playing live poker last May. Long story short, I was stuck $2000 after the first couple months, then i was breakeven/slightly winning for a few months, and now I'm up over $10k overall (could be a fish on a heater).

It's takes a lot of time and hard work to establish any sort of winrate. I would keep a log and take diligent notes during every session, and post a lot of hands in the forums. If you get to the point where you are stuck 20 buy-ins even after studying a ton, there likely some serious mental game leaks and you may want to stop for a while.

A cheaper option is to practice microstakes on Bovada. Live is quite different but at least you can get the technicals down playing online.

Happy to chat in PM if you have further questions.

It's even sicker that the game is easily beatable.

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Thanks for the info. I might have to check out Bovada. I haven't played online poker since BF, how easy is it to deposit on the sites that allow Americans?

Bovada is very easy, just buy a netspend visa card and load it with up to $1,000. I suggest depositing $1k because you get $1k in free bonus money that way. Only your first deposit is matched up to 100%.

You can also use any visa card you have that is authorized for international purposes. Usually only bank issued Visa's allow this. Not vanilla. I would personally use a netspend prepaid to prevent any possibility of fraud since the processors are offshore.

Bovada is your best option for U.S. poker right now.

honestly my man 99%+ % of people that try to gambool 4 a livin fail and there are multiple reasons for that. Saying that I want to play these games but I never have what kind of roll do I need needs some one like me to say whats up. For a lot of people in these forums the roll to play 1/2 is really important $. And trying to gamble with it is pure folly

I have been in the biz for a long time and have seen 100's crash and burn. I am currently in the process of watching one do this for the second time. And it will happen - he has zero chance. Its sad to watch but it happens EVERY day.

Thinking that hey I read 2p2 - I have a roll - these guys are all droolers - all I have to do is show up and print $ - is not how it really is

Just sayin

Rob on the road to busto?

I'm not ignorant. I know cash is a completely different game then tourneys. I don't expect to show up to a game and just print money. I asked this question because I want to make sure I give myself the best chance to succeed. I know there will be a huge learning curve and downswings are bound to happen. I'm trying to plan ahead and keep a poker bankroll separate from my living finances in order to make the girl happy. She's super supportive, I just need ideas on how much is a good starting point.

Take out the having a br part, and this is all I do.

what would be a reasonable estimate range for an hourly that you might expect a decent winner at the 50nl 6max games online to have at the live 1/2 games?

im not talking about a guy who wins 1-2bb/100 at 50nl 6max just because he memorized some moves that might not translate to different scenarios... but someone who has a decent grasp of the fundamentals and theories as to why to raise/call... why to bet/fold.. etc... and can adjust to the different conditions that live players represent.

thanks in advance

Probably nothing.

The slow pace and obnoxious behavior of live degenerates coupled with the massive rake makes the 1/2 game probably the worst game ever.

10 bb/hr is reasonable if you're a strong player. As some others have said $1/2 is just a game where extreme patience and excellent fundamentals get you the win. Play tight and be patient.

This is hard if you spend a lot of time studying to beat TAGs and if you play online with lots of tables, because none of that applies to the often slow, passive world of LLSNL play.

Patience and tight abc is poker is the way to go. Finding spots to bluff can help you crush the game, but you need to be excellent at reading passive players, which isn't always easy when live passives are checking the relative nuts on dry boards and limp calling both with ****ty and premium hands.