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Old 01-15-2015, 08:56 PM   #8676
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how much u buying in for?

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Old 01-15-2015, 09:17 PM   #8677
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Old 01-15-2015, 10:31 PM   #8678
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If this is the case 6 buy ins is a reasonable ds...any more and I'd start looking at my game for tilt and serious leaks. More than 10 bi and I'd say we have some issues
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Old 01-15-2015, 10:34 PM   #8679
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If this is the case 6 buy ins is a reasonable ds...any more and I'd start looking at my game for tilt and serious leaks. More than 10 bi and I'd say we have some issues

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Old 01-15-2015, 11:59 PM   #8680
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Doesn't take much "3-betting light" to increase our variance, no matter where we play.
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Old 01-16-2015, 12:18 AM   #8681
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Re: Big standard deviation for a cash game live player?

I moved this question in here, and it promptly got lost in the SS bickering. Please to be answering max_potter's question, those of you who are stats types:
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Hello all,

I am a cash game player (live), and I played a lot last year for about 12 months.
I usually played 2/4 no limit HE in France, and occasionally went to LV or London. During this year, I recorded all my result on the Poker Manager app.
Then it gave me the following stats :
- Hours played : 1200 H
- Winrate : 10bb/H => 40bb/100 or 20BB/100 (100 hands equals 4H)
- Standard déviation : 62bb/H => 250bb/100 or 125BB/100
- Percentual Wins/Losses : 59/41

My standard deviation seems huge to me… What does that mean ? Do I play too Lag ? Because I don’t have this impression, even though I like 3-betting light sometimes and play aggressively enough during my sessions.

Thx for your opinions !


FYI, I decided to stop playing so much last september because I was not that happy with this activity, but I keep playing once or twice a week !
FWIW, my tracker only measures Standard Deviation per session, which is right at 100bb/session, and my average session length is 4 hours. I really don't know what that implies though, either for me or for OP of the question.

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Old 01-16-2015, 03:00 PM   #8682
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SD seems about +-5bb for someone around crushing hourly.

Number seems fine to me in live.
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Old 01-16-2015, 03:09 PM   #8683
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Agreed - nothing unusual about that stdev. In fact, it is smaller than lots of others IMO.
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Old 01-16-2015, 03:10 PM   #8684
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Standard deviation per hour should be incredibly high if you think about it, and the fact that it's that high means probably very little.

I mean, here's how I approach it. Let's say you're a 10bb/hr winner at 2/5, or $50/hr. A low standard deviation would imply that in a typical hour you would grind up your stack by $40-60 or something, and very rarely would you ever win or lose a big pot to create an "outlier" hour.

We all know that the exact opposite is true. In a typical hour, we might bleed a few chips away; we might win a massive pot; we might lose a big pot. Very, very rarely will we be close to our average winrate in a typical hour. The average is averaged over big swings. A high standard deviation is completely to be expected.
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Old 01-16-2015, 03:10 PM   #8685
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Showdown multi-way preflop poker = higher stdev and higher WR... don't compare to online.
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Old 01-16-2015, 04:15 PM   #8686
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My SD over 932 hours of $1/2 is 120bb/hour and 240bb/session, at 302 hours of $2/5 is 85bb/hour and 140bb/session.
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Old 01-16-2015, 04:21 PM   #8687
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Guy also made a math mistake.

If you want to scale stdev - multiply is by the square root of the scaling factor.
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Old 01-16-2015, 11:11 PM   #8688
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My wine rate at $2/5 this year is $95.50/hr. any tips on how to push it up over $100/hr so I can quit my 6 figure job to play pro poker?
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Old 01-16-2015, 11:15 PM   #8689
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My wine rate at $2/5 this year is $95.50/hr. any tips on how to push it up over $100/hr so I can quit my 6 figure job to play pro poker?

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Old 01-17-2015, 12:00 AM   #8690
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Old 01-17-2015, 11:48 AM   #8691
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My wine rate at $2/5 this year is $95.50/hr. any tips on how to push it up over $100/hr so I can quit my 6 figure job to play pro poker?
Maybe get rid of your car/house and abuy an RV you keep in the sino parking lot.
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Old 01-18-2015, 01:12 AM   #8692
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My standard deviation is around 1600 bucks an hour. I play live 10-25 plo.



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Old 01-18-2015, 01:13 AM   #8693
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Maybe get rid of your car/house and abuy an RV you keep in the sino parking lot.

That lowers expenses not raises winrate.
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Old 01-18-2015, 01:16 AM   #8694
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That lowers expenses not raises winrate.
More time at the casino = more hours
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Old 01-18-2015, 01:20 AM   #8695
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More time at the casino = more hours

Might as well buy a tent. It is much cheaper.
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Old 01-18-2015, 01:21 AM   #8696
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Already have a tent. Could just sleep in the west slots if that's the route we're taking.
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Old 01-18-2015, 10:40 AM   #8697
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Old 01-18-2015, 10:41 AM   #8698
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Here are some stats from two rooms. Tell me if they mean anything to you

Room 1: 64 sessions. $7600 profit. 374 hours. A little over $20 per hour profit. 95 Percent of play at 1/3.

Room 2: 14 sessions. 92 hours. 3800 profit.
38/hr at all 1/2.

Lol sample size. But am I really better off at room 2?
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Old 01-18-2015, 11:32 AM   #8699
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Here are some stats from two rooms. Tell me if they mean anything to you

Room 1: 64 sessions. $7600 profit. 374 hours. A little over $20 per hour profit. 95 Percent of play at 1/3.

Room 2: 14 sessions. 92 hours. 3800 profit.
38/hr at all 1/2.

Lol sample size. But am I really better off at room 2?
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Again with the sample size on room 2.

How old is the sample size on room 1?

Might just be you improving.

I don't think we can draw any conclusions from these samples. Do you see more gross chit happen at 1 or 2? What about expenses? Gas/tolls/time/rake/tips?
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Old 01-18-2015, 11:33 AM   #8700
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Might as well buy a tent. It is much cheaper.
Can't drive a tent to the local SOOPER DOOPER WIN A MIRRION tournament tho

Also, thieves.
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