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Old 01-13-2015, 05:45 PM   #8651
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I'm not "labeling" a player as good or bad solely on what they buy in for...
Umm...what?

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No, I'm saying the pro is being very dumb and/or broke if they're buying in short.
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In the games I play in, the whales buy in for 200bb. They aren't that good at holdem, and sometimes play PLO where they genuinely don't know how to play. If you are a professional poker player playing 2/5 and a whale who is there to spew $2-5k tonight is sitting with $1k, buying in for $250 is a bad idea for a professional poker player.
I hear it over and over again, and yet other than the fact that you win more when you win, I haven't read any concrete reasons...

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My live play is largely in a smaller sized city. We aren't a large poker community, there aren't many tourists and the ratio of pros to bad regs or fish is absolutely terrible, to be honest. I know everyone who is going to sit in these games, yes.
In other words, your sample size of live play is very limited.
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Old 01-13-2015, 05:47 PM   #8652
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I agree you are giving up value. I heard this tip from Tommy Angelo on one of Bart hansons podcasts, tried it and have found it suits my game better than buying in full vs unknowns.

Probably because I'm new to poker I just feel more comfortable this way.
http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/a...ild-games.html
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Old 01-13-2015, 07:40 PM   #8653
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Umm...what?


I hear it over and over again, and yet other than the fact that you win more when you win, I haven't read any concrete reasons...
but Dickie, the fact that you win more when you win with a deeper stack than with a shorter stack IS the concrete reason.
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Old 01-13-2015, 07:50 PM   #8654
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but Dickie, the fact that you win more when you win with a deeper stack than with a shorter stack IS the concrete reason.
I just assume that this was given and that we were in search of more...

So 30 posts of whatever are basically worthless?
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Old 01-13-2015, 08:01 PM   #8655
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*** Official Winrates, bankrolls, and finances ***

Yes - that was a worthless non-debate...

As a poker player, I am comfortable adopting theory that I can rationalize yet that comes without concrete evidence...not 100% of those theories will pan out as perfect - but FFS if I obsessed and hesitated over every debatable and marginal hypothesis, I would never buy in, never play a hand, never win.

If I am going to focus on countering common poker wisdom - it sure as hell is not going to be something as marginal in value as "whether short stacking actually costs the player"
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Old 01-13-2015, 08:07 PM   #8656
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Are you trying to say that opportunity cost of your time is higher than mine?

Well, EAD...
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Old 01-13-2015, 08:17 PM   #8657
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Lol - kind of. More like take on a more valuable debate... or at least a more sensational one
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Old 01-13-2015, 09:28 PM   #8658
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tl;dr
cliffs: jerryj0nes can buy in for 100bb, not much worry of running so bad he goes busto given rooms he's playing.
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Old 01-13-2015, 09:39 PM   #8659
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Are you trying to say that opportunity cost of your time is higher than mine?

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Lol - kind of. More like take on a more valuable debate... or at least a more sensational one
CoC time wasted itt
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Old 01-13-2015, 11:16 PM   #8660
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Old 01-14-2015, 12:59 AM   #8661
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FWIW shortstacking live sounds incredibly stupid to me and I've only ever seen it done by the fishiest of players. It's pretty stupid online, too but mind numbingly stupid live.
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Old 01-14-2015, 01:00 AM   #8662
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FWIW shortstacking live sounds incredibly stupid to me and I've only ever seen it done by the fishiest of players. It's pretty stupid online, too but mind numbingly stupid live.
To clarify, you are referring to someone who buys in short, or someone who understands pot odds, equity and is actually a pro short stacker?

Every player who buys in short is a fish because they are playing normal poker just with a small stack.
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Old 01-14-2015, 01:00 AM   #8663
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FWIW shortstacking live sounds incredibly stupid to me and I've only ever seen it done by the fishiest of players. It's pretty stupid online, too but mind numbingly stupid live.
I would never short stack ever again, just so someone as awesome as Phatty wouldn't think I am incredibly stupid.
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Old 01-14-2015, 01:32 AM   #8664
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FWIW shortstacking live sounds incredibly stupid to me and I've only ever seen it done by the fishiest of players. It's pretty stupid online, too but mind numbingly stupid live.
LoL @ it's stupid to you. Why would it be stupid to short stack online? There are players that have made millions of dollars short stacking online. If the goal is to make lots of money, not sure why you would find that stupid.
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Old 01-14-2015, 01:38 AM   #8665
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To clarify, you are referring to someone who buys in short, or someone who understands pot odds, equity and is actually a pro short stacker?

Every player who buys in short is a fish because they are playing normal poker just with a small stack.
There are no live short stackers to my knowledge and if there are, they're stupid IMO because they can earn more with a full stack.
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Old 01-14-2015, 11:19 AM   #8666
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I've only ever met one short stacker who had even a little clue. That kid was a tourney player who didn't know how to play over 40bb. And even he wasn't very good.


What happened to this thread? My god.


Why can't you build a roll at $1/2? I'm proof that you can. I built mine from $0 at $1/2. Played off a stake for a bit then worked it up. Didn't take too long. Now I play $2/5 when I can. I couldn't have jumped to $2/5 right away. If I lost it all I wasn't prepared to rebuy for several months.
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Old 01-14-2015, 11:44 AM   #8667
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I've only ever met one short stacker who had even a little clue. That kid was a tourney player who didn't know how to play over 40bb. And even he wasn't very good.
If you've played much with tournament players you'll realize most of them play like short stacks, even when they have 100+ bbs. They really have no clue lol
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Old 01-15-2015, 05:47 AM   #8668
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CAP rake on 1/1

Hi its worth to play 1/1 with 20 cap rake ?
Its beatable with this rake?
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Old 01-15-2015, 05:52 AM   #8669
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Old 01-15-2015, 09:53 AM   #8670
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What happened to this thread? My god.
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Gator mentions you can buy in short at a bigger game, reduce rake impact...etc....and still be profitable and move up faster.

Mob Yells "Short Stacking Scum" Grabs Pitch Forks etc.

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Old 01-15-2015, 05:38 PM   #8671
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How normal are 2k downers in live 1/3?
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Old 01-15-2015, 05:57 PM   #8672
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How normal are 2k downers in live 1/3?
I mean not super normal but not unheard of. I've had 3 1500-1800 downswings at 1/2 over a couple thousand hours.
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Old 01-15-2015, 06:40 PM   #8673
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How normal are 2k downers in live 1/3?
It can happen. I play 1/2 and always buy in for max of 300. Last 10 days started with a +1900 session, followed by -1000 across a few sessions due to primarily a few key huge key hands.

77<a,10 on a,10,7 flop for 750 pot
10,10<a,8 on j,rag,rag flop for 650 pot
77<J,8 on 6,7,10 flop for 550 pot






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Old 01-15-2015, 07:02 PM   #8674
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How normal are 2k downers in live 1/3?
I'm guessing not too common for winning players, but certainly possible.

In ~2,074 hours at 1/3 NL, I've only gone on a 2K+ downswing once (bottoming out at $2,866, fun times, fun times).

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Old 01-15-2015, 08:05 PM   #8675
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How normal are 2k downers in live 1/3?

how much u buying in for?
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