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Old 01-03-2015, 02:59 AM   #8526
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Online and live players, what stake online does 2/5 compare to?

If you are a consistent winner at 25NL online, are you good enough for 2/5?

I don't have the bankroll for 2/5, I am just curious.

Also, I know this is the NLHE forum but are the comparisons similar for Omaha online vs live as well?
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Old 01-03-2015, 03:07 AM   #8527
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Does it matter if I tell you that if you can beat 25NL, you can beat 10/20 live, or that 25NL is equivalent of 1/2?
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Old 01-03-2015, 03:08 AM   #8528
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Does it matter if I tell you that if you can beat 25NL, you can beat 10/20 live, or that 25NL is equivalent of 1/2?
Not really, I am curious to know how the 2/5 field compares to 1/2 before I even consider shot taking there.
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Old 01-03-2015, 03:13 AM   #8529
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Ended the last week of 2014 by making $7k at 2/5 in 3 sessions, then started off 2015 by losing $2k in a session, my worst session to date. Wheeeeee
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Old 01-03-2015, 04:03 AM   #8530
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Online and live players, what stake online does 2/5 compare to?

If you are a consistent winner at 25NL online, are you good enough for 2/5?

I don't have the bankroll for 2/5, I am just curious.

Also, I know this is the NLHE forum but are the comparisons similar for Omaha online vs live as well?
Probs like 100NL

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Old 01-03-2015, 04:31 AM   #8531
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Honestly I think 5nl online is orders of magnitude tougher than 2/5. At least where I play.
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Old 01-03-2015, 05:02 AM   #8532
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There is no comparison between online and live as they are completely different games. Before black friday I was beating 50NL 6-max and had previously crushed 25NL 6-max. After black friday I began playing some live poker. I quickly moved directly to 2/5 after realizing how much of a joke 1/2 was and went fulltime in late 2011. Looking back though I was still a pretty awful player...in all truth probably break even or slightly better at 2/5. There are definitely adjustments that have to be made moving from online to live.

It's hard for me to say how online compares now given that we dont have access to Full Tilt or Pokerstars in the US. Online players keep talking about how difficult online has gotten, and that certainly isn't the case on Bovada. I played 10NL 6max and players are just giving there money away there. 25NL seems like a joke. I played one 400NL 6-max session and players were definitely very aggressive which makes the game tougher but they didn't seem to be world beaters or anything. Mainly just solid players with very aggressive styles but who were still making plenty of bad decisions. I've played the Double Up SNGs on Bovada as well and the $10 ones are a complete joke. It isn't until you get to $100 that most all of the players are playing a super solid game but even then they are playing a bit too tight late to be optimal.
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Old 01-03-2015, 03:00 PM   #8533
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2014 was the first year this rec-fish decided to start tracking and play poker more often. I've definitely grown over the year, and I'm taking the game more seriously now than at the start. These numbers are almost certainly above my EV for the year, but my goal is to match it in 2015 without being a lucksack.

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Old 01-03-2015, 06:29 PM   #8534
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Regarding ChipKellys graph, is it fair to compare the smoothness if his x axis is Hours versus most everyone else who is displaying in Sessions? Just a thought
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Old 01-03-2015, 06:39 PM   #8535
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Regarding ChipKellys graph, is it fair to compare the smoothness if his x axis is Hours versus most everyone else who is displaying in Sessions? Just a thought

I assume you're asking because of the above graph? I think that is still in sessions, see the plotted points along the x line? Unless you enter your wins/losses every couple hours into the app I don't see another explanation.
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Old 01-03-2015, 06:41 PM   #8536
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Re: posted graph, 68% winning sessions seems over expectation but I could be wrong on that.
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Old 01-03-2015, 07:41 PM   #8537
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Re: posted graph, 68% winning sessions seems over expectation but I could be wrong on that.
That is really a meaningless stat. If you are a crushing player but play really short sessions, then it could be really low. If I consider my life to be one long session then I'm at 100%, but if I break it down into 4 hr blocks I'm only around 60%.
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Old 01-03-2015, 08:09 PM   #8538
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That is really a meaningless stat. If you are a crushing player but play really short sessions, then it could be really low. If I consider my life to be one long session then I'm at 100%, but if I break it down into 4 hr blocks I'm only around 60%.

It's not meaningless if you're a rec player with a limited poker br trying to run it up before other bills eat it all up like I'm at 50/50 in my limited sample which hurts a lot
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Old 01-03-2015, 08:12 PM   #8539
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it doesn't take into account the amounts you win or lose though. You can have 8 $1 "wins" and 2 $50 losses and your win % is 80%. See?
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Old 01-03-2015, 08:28 PM   #8540
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it doesn't take into account the amounts you win or lose though. You can have 8 $1 "wins" and 2 $50 losses and your win % is 80%. See?

Well, see I have something like 120 sessions and never a session loss bigger than $520 (stop loss) and never a win bigger than $720 (have been up slightly more during sessions but never +1k as I would snap rack up). And there's a wide variety of positive and negative amounts inside those boundaries. Lot of shortish sessions though.

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Old 01-03-2015, 09:19 PM   #8541
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homer:

what is your point here?
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Old 01-03-2015, 10:10 PM   #8542
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what is your point here?

Sorry was thinking out loud again. There is no point without further details like total amount in for during each session.

Like basically I'm sure a lot of us could win a huge amount of sessions if we were willing to be in a game for 500-1000bb at a time and could play long enough to get even (mental/tilt/fatigue factors aside).

My point was either that guy is crushing the games, is running good, or just has the fortitude and means to keep playing when down a lot to make a comeback. But live tracking makes it kinda impossible to know from just the graph.

Nothing will replace hands or tournaments played as the x axis for an actual representation on graphs so maybe something better can be devised for live pokers!
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Old 01-05-2015, 12:56 AM   #8543
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what is your point here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Wu598ENenk&t=0m20s
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Old 01-05-2015, 01:48 PM   #8544
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jesus, people posting itt are crushing at an unbelievably sickening rate.

My cash earnings for the year total 6833 over 478.22 hours for a 14.29/hr winrate. This is mostly 1/3 (4+1 rake, 300 max) with some 1/2 (3+1 rake, 200 max) and just a touch of 1/2 PLO (3 rake, 200 max).

This doesn't include a short-lived $3/hr 'rakeback' promo at 1/3 or freerolls qualified for mainly with cash hours.

Total earnings for the year including tournaments and all casino promos = 15.5k

I'm mostly a TAGish nit who occasionally barrels away against weak/passive fit-or-fold types.

My swings are pretty small, and my winrate for the year hasn't varied much over the last three months. It'll be interesting to see what happens after a more meaningful sample size.
Congrats!

My guess is very few players in your player pool are actually winning players. So far, you are one of them. There are certainly some crushing winrates in this thread, but don't let those undervalue your accomplishment!

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Old 01-05-2015, 01:51 PM   #8545
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Re: posted graph, 68% winning sessions seems over expectation but I could be wrong on that.
I'm currently sitting at 70.3% but as Spike says this probably has more to do with average session length (mine's 7.75 hours/session).

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Old 01-05-2015, 03:24 PM   #8546
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Re: posted graph, 68% winning sessions seems over expectation but I could be wrong on that.
I have 66.4% over 393 tracked sessions. Most of my friends that are crushing are around 65-70%
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Old 01-05-2015, 03:26 PM   #8547
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How come it always feels like I should leave when I am up a bunch of money ? Is there a strategic reason for that feeling ?
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Old 01-05-2015, 03:27 PM   #8548
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How come it always feels like I should leave when I am up a bunch of money ? Is there a strategic reason for that feeling ?
Probably a BR related feeling.

Would you leave if you are playing .01/.02 and up $20?
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Old 01-05-2015, 03:38 PM   #8549
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Probably a BR related feeling.

Would you leave if you are playing .01/.02 and up $20?
I've never been in that situation.
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Old 01-06-2015, 12:01 PM   #8550
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Questions:

Some here say that a winrate of 10BB/hr is the absolute ceiling for a sample size of thousands of hours, and any rate higher than that is too small of a sample size. Does everyone agree on that?


What is a reasonable sample size? 250 hrs? 500 hrs ? 2,000 hrs ?


Can't you improve your win rate ceiling by being very studious and deliberate with Table Selection ? (ie - identify and leave difficult or unprofitable games ASAP)
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