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Old 12-19-2014, 01:19 AM   #8326
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Why would you buyin for more than $300 in a 1/2 game?
I bought in for $500 last week because 3 whales were all at least that deep.

Worked out pretty good.
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Old 12-21-2014, 03:15 PM   #8327
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Why WOULDNT you if you can?
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Old 12-21-2014, 03:27 PM   #8328
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Why WOULDNT you if you can?

More than 300 is a lot to risk at one game of Texas hold them.
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Old 12-21-2014, 05:20 PM   #8329
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Hoping the last was a troll?
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Old 12-21-2014, 05:32 PM   #8330
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Hoping the last was a troll?

What happens when you wake up with KQ and another guy has AK and stacks you.
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Old 12-21-2014, 05:37 PM   #8331
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What happens when you wake up with KQ and another guy has AK and stacks you.
Politely ask guy if he would borrow you 60 bucks so you can buy back in.
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Old 12-21-2014, 05:37 PM   #8332
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What happens when you wake up with KQ and another guy has AK and stacks you.
You get what you deserve for stacking off with a dominated hand like an idiot.

The blanket statement that "More than 300 is a lot to risk at one game of Texas hold them" is pretty much garbage. Ever hear of a $2/5 game? We also play larger games than that.
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Old 12-21-2014, 05:41 PM   #8333
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What happens when you wake up with KQ and another guy has AK and stacks you.
Why are you stacking off with KQ 150bb deep with 1p?
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Old 12-21-2014, 05:43 PM   #8334
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Why are you stacking off with KQ 150bb deep with 1p?
A better question might be "where's the card room you play in?"
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Old 12-21-2014, 05:45 PM   #8335
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u guys are internet fish if u think doughboy wuz for serials there
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Old 12-21-2014, 05:58 PM   #8336
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Doughy was so cereal
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Old 12-21-2014, 07:20 PM   #8337
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Doughy was so cereal

No I am crescent rolls.

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Old 12-21-2014, 07:23 PM   #8338
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I for one was enjoying Mr. Doughboy being shat upon

Much needed lullllz for the Slimtard
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Old 12-21-2014, 07:28 PM   #8339
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I for one was enjoying Mr. Doughboy being shat upon

Much needed lullllz for the Slimtard

I still love you slim. I got you the star of "sex with Santa" for Christmas. She will be waiting under the tree.
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Old 12-21-2014, 07:30 PM   #8340
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Me thinks she could be fun in spite of her appearance.

Dirty birdies FTW
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Old 12-21-2014, 07:34 PM   #8341
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u guys are internet fish if u think doughboy wuz for serials there
Every once in a while it's fun to poke the trolls
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Old 12-21-2014, 11:53 PM   #8342
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Mmmmmm, doughboy looks so delicious.
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Old 12-23-2014, 12:16 AM   #8343
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Rec 1/2 player here who is thinking of taking a shot at 2/5. About me...

I'm a player who mostly plays on the weekends. When I decided to take poker seriously, I granted myself a 4K bankroll, which I've run up to a little over 10k. Admittedly, my results tracking in the beginning was spotty in terms of total hours, but the money total is spot on. Since I've begun meticulously tracking my result in March I've "achieved" a $8.52 hourly in 236.5 hours played. I guessimate before that I played around 120 hours. I do not include promos, comps and tourneys in my results*. I'm only interested in measuring my cash game skills. My tracked hours are evenly split between my home casino, the Horseshoe in Hammond, which has a 5+1 rake with a 200 dollar max buy-in and Las Vegas (various rakes, buy-ins). Ironically, I feel like I've improved a lot this year, but I know my hourly has been lower, which I mostly attribute to variance. This year I've studied videos on DC and listened to a lot of Bart Hansen's podcasts, which has helped me with thinner value betting and folding. Additionally, when I sit down at a 1/2 table I often feel like a best and most aggressive player. That said, I'm not prefect and I can always find room for improvement.

So, I guess my question is - I know the sample size is small, but do you think it's like I can be a winning 2/5 player? How do you think a $8.52 hourly will convert to 2/5? Again, I realize the sample size is small.


*I won a WSOP tourney circuit seat and binked 16k in it. I also won 600 dollars in a vegas free roll tourney. Plus, I've gotten some high hand payouts in vegas. But again, I don't include that.

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Old 12-23-2014, 12:56 AM   #8344
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Yeah dude give it a shot. Carry the confidence from 1/2, it is as important as anything. Congrats on the circuit score.
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Old 12-23-2014, 01:31 AM   #8345
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Rec 1/2 player here who is thinking of taking a shot at 2/5. About me...

I'm a player who mostly plays on the weekends. When I decided to take poker seriously, I granted myself a 4K bankroll, which I've run up to a little over 10k. Admittedly, my results tracking in the beginning was spotty in terms of total hours, but the money total is spot on. Since I've begun meticulously tracking my result in March I've "achieved" a $8.52 hourly in 236.5 hours played. I guessimate before that I played around 120 hours. I do not include promos, comps and tourneys in my results*. I'm only interested in measuring my cash game skills. My tracked hours are evenly split between my home casino, the Horseshoe in Hammond, which has a 5+1 rake with a 200 dollar max buy-in and Las Vegas (various rakes, buy-ins). Ironically, I feel like I've improved a lot this year, but I know my hourly has been lower, which I mostly attribute to variance. This year I've studied videos on DC and listened to a lot of Bart Hansen's podcasts, which has helped me with thinner value betting and folding. Additionally, when I sit down at a 1/2 table I often feel like a best and most aggressive player. That said, I'm not prefect and I can always find room for improvement.

So, I guess my question is - I know the sample size is small, but do you think it's like I can be a winning 2/5 player? How do you think a $8.52 hourly will convert to 2/5? Again, I realize the sample size is small.


*I won a WSOP tourney circuit seat and binked 16k in it. I also won 600 dollars in a vegas free roll tourney. Plus, I've gotten some high hand payouts in vegas. But again, I don't include that.
Personally I hate this idea of "taking shots". If you are a regular in a room then you should know by now the biggest winners and the biggest losers in the room. For me it's simple, if the bigger game is better than the smaller game (and my roll permits) I play the bigger game. If the smaller game is better I play that.

To me the whole notion of taking shots is so ego driven that people lose sight of the fact that just because you may play regularly at a higher limit that sometimes the games you are playing in at that limit are worse than a limit right below you.

Don't take shots, if you're rolled for a few different levels, walk around the room look for the best game and sit down at it.

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Old 12-23-2014, 05:21 AM   #8346
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Rec 1/2 player here who is thinking of taking a shot at 2/5. About me...

I'm a player who mostly plays on the weekends. When I decided to take poker seriously, I granted myself a 4K bankroll, which I've run up to a little over 10k. Admittedly, my results tracking in the beginning was spotty in terms of total hours, but the money total is spot on. Since I've begun meticulously tracking my result in March I've "achieved" a $8.52 hourly in 236.5 hours played. I guessimate before that I played around 120 hours. I do not include promos, comps and tourneys in my results*. I'm only interested in measuring my cash game skills. My tracked hours are evenly split between my home casino, the Horseshoe in Hammond, which has a 5+1 rake with a 200 dollar max buy-in and Las Vegas (various rakes, buy-ins). Ironically, I feel like I've improved a lot this year, but I know my hourly has been lower, which I mostly attribute to variance. This year I've studied videos on DC and listened to a lot of Bart Hansen's podcasts, which has helped me with thinner value betting and folding. Additionally, when I sit down at a 1/2 table I often feel like a best and most aggressive player. That said, I'm not prefect and I can always find room for improvement.

So, I guess my question is - I know the sample size is small, but do you think it's like I can be a winning 2/5 player? How do you think a $8.52 hourly will convert to 2/5? Again, I realize the sample size is small.


*I won a WSOP tourney circuit seat and binked 16k in it. I also won 600 dollars in a vegas free roll tourney. Plus, I've gotten some high hand payouts in vegas. But again, I don't include that.
You are more than rolled to start playing 2/5, and imo you are giving up a lot of money if you continue to only play 1/2.

if you feel outmatched or increased stake is causing you to play scared/sub optimal, then drop back down and begin working on increasing your tolerance. It won't take more than a few winning sessions, which will come sooner rather than later, to gain the confidence to make 2/5 your main game. the difference in skill set you currently use to beat 1/2 won't be much different than what it will require to beat 2/5.
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Old 12-23-2014, 09:41 AM   #8347
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While most of what kosh said is true I must warn you that $8/hr at $1/2 over less than 1000 hrs is easily in the realm of a losing player on a heater. Maybe not but you likely have some major leaks. I think it's fine to take those shots at te bigger games but you need to really focus on figuring out exactly why you're not beating 1/2 for 2-3x your current win rate because when the shoe drops (if it is just run good) you're going to really feel it at 2/5.

Good luck though. You could be a crusher running bad and 2/5 may be just fine.
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Old 12-23-2014, 09:47 AM   #8348
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An $8 hourly doesn't bode well for 2/5. That being said you may just suck at 1/2 (no offense) and perhaps you will do better at 2/5. Just take a shot or two and see how it goes.
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Old 12-23-2014, 09:52 AM   #8349
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Personally I hate this idea of "taking shots". If you are a regular in a room then you should know by now the biggest winners and the biggest losers in the room. For me it's simple, if the bigger game is better than the smaller game (and my roll permits) I play the bigger game. If the smaller game is better I play that.

To me the whole notion of taking shots is so ego driven that people lose sight of the fact that just because you may play regularly at a higher limit that sometimes the games you are playing in at that limit are worse than a limit right below you.

Don't take shots, if you're rolled for a few different levels, walk around the room look for the best game and sit down at it.

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But if he has never played or beaten 2/5 then he should just take a few shots rather than commit to it 100%. I do agree in general about how players play higher due to ego (myself included at times) when the lower games may actually be more profitable. But in general at a big casino like Hammonds a good 2/5 player should be way more profitable at 2/5 than 1/2 nearly 365 days a year.
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Old 12-23-2014, 10:48 AM   #8350
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An $8 hourly doesn't bode well for 2/5. That being said you may just suck at 1/2 (no offense) and perhaps you will do better at 2/5. Just take a shot or two and see how it goes.
If he barely is a winner at $1/2, how do you expect him to be a $2/5 winner at a better clip?

That said, at $10k rolled up, I agree - take a shot. If you feel like you're not the best or 2nd best player at any point, get up. If you can't find another $2/5 table where you are the best or 2nd best player, step down to $1/2 again.
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