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Old 09-25-2014, 08:10 PM   #7976
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Just an offhand question to anyone, do you find yourself on a downswing playing in a specific room, in a specific game, or in every game in any room?
It wouldnt be a downswing if you werent losing everywhere no?
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Old 09-25-2014, 08:16 PM   #7977
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"LAG crusher" at 2/5 500 cap is a unicorn. They don't exist.
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Old 09-25-2014, 08:23 PM   #7978
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well there u go.

I will just say that I am pretty dialed into the scene and have been so for quite a while. And I know a lot of pros and have discussed it at length with them.
As we both know, if your losing 10k at 2/5 there's a lot more play bad this run bad in there.

I'm not shy on the raise button and I haven't even been on a 5k downswing.

What the hell are people doing to lose 10k in live 2/5? It's more you than the cards, I promise.

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Old 09-25-2014, 08:28 PM   #7979
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Get oversetted/overflushed/KK<AA five times in a row for stacks. Bam. 3-5k gone in a night.

It can happen.
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Old 09-25-2014, 08:29 PM   #7980
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It wouldnt be a downswing if you werent losing everywhere no?
That's an obvious point to make, well taken. I can see, though, how someone might get stuck in a particular game and think it's their fault, not the game's fault, and forget to try a different room or game and get out of the losing routine.
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Old 09-25-2014, 08:36 PM   #7981
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Get oversetted/overflushed/KK<AA five times in a row for stacks. Bam. 3-5k gone in a night.

It can happen.
Sure.

But what are the odds?! (tm)
Maybe we should ask, and Bip! will answer.

But pretty small I'd suspect.
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Old 09-25-2014, 08:56 PM   #7982
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Sure.

But what are the odds?! (tm)
Over a 750,000-hand lifetime sample? Maybe 50% that it will happen at least once. And that's not counting bet/folds with TPTK in bad runouts, multiple bricked semibluffs/bricked flop jams with combo draws, etc. etc. etc.
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Old 09-25-2014, 09:37 PM   #7983
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Get oversetted/overflushed/KK<AA five times in a row for stacks. Bam. 3-5k gone in a night.

It can happen.
It did. To me. Tuesday night. AIPF or AI w/best hand.

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Old 09-25-2014, 09:57 PM   #7984
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I don't understand how there is even a debate about this.
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Old 09-26-2014, 10:04 AM   #7985
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My winrate at 2/5 over 900 hours this year is 56/hr, largest "downswing" was 6k and I attribute that to some overly aggro play and the worst variance I've experienced. 10k+ just seems fathomable, and I've played 2.5k hours lifetime of 2/5 where prior to this year my winrate was in the low 40s

Runbad is a crutch by some. Double check your redline.
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Old 09-27-2014, 09:46 PM   #7986
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Played a 1/2 game last night with two big gamblers who loved to call shoves pre. Lets say button straddles, five limpers, then a $80 shove, you get two callers no problem. J9o, QJ, 22, no problem. It turned into more of a coin flipping game than poker.

What is everyones opinions on this sort of game? Say you can easily get it in as a 60%/40% favorite if you are patient and shove AQ+ pre since virtually every pot was straddled with multiple limpers and two gamblers who would call with anything.

Worth playing? Obviously it's frustrating when JJ+ is cracked by random junk type hands. I don't know if it's worth flipping constantly pre, even with 10%+ equity, when I could table change and go to another table and play real poker.
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Old 09-27-2014, 10:01 PM   #7987
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^ uhhh yes obv play that
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Old 09-27-2014, 10:12 PM   #7988
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winrate this year has been ~$30/hr, mostly playing live 2/4 in New Zealand where the games are pretty soft, but also heavily raked @10% $15 cap

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Old 09-27-2014, 10:52 PM   #7989
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Played a 1/2 game last night with two big gamblers who loved to call shoves pre. Lets say button straddles, five limpers, then a $80 shove, you get two callers no problem. J9o, QJ, 22, no problem. It turned into more of a coin flipping game than poker.

What is everyones opinions on this sort of game? Say you can easily get it in as a 60%/40% favorite if you are patient and shove AQ+ pre since virtually every pot was straddled with multiple limpers and two gamblers who would call with anything.

Worth playing? Obviously it's frustrating when JJ+ is cracked by random junk type hands. I don't know if it's worth flipping constantly pre, even with 10%+ equity, when I could table change and go to another table and play real poker.
I would be literally knocking people over trying to get into this game, buy in for the max and just wait to profit. It wouldn't take long.

It's only one of the most amazing tables to be at...
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Old 09-27-2014, 11:50 PM   #7990
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winrate this year has been ~$30/hr, mostly playing live 2/4 in New Zealand where the games are pretty soft, but also heavily raked @10% $15 cap




^ Very cool - I did not even know there was a poker scene in New Zealand. Nice results GL, keep cruising.
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Old 09-27-2014, 11:53 PM   #7991
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Sure.



But what are the odds?! (tm)

Maybe we should ask, and Bip! will answer.



But pretty small I'd suspect.



.. I actually do have a graph somewhere ITT that shows the range of results to expect for a 10 bb / hr WR, 100 bb/hr stdev player.
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Old 09-27-2014, 11:54 PM   #7992
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play real poker.
You're deluding your self.

If you are trying to play poker for the mental challenge, to best the strongest and most fearsome competition, and to keep your mind working at top gear, and you hate money, then table change.

If you want to make money, and let other people play however they want to "because there is no right way to play this game" (is what you need to tell everyone else...) then stay at this table and profit..
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Old 09-28-2014, 12:23 AM   #7993
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Played a 1/2 game last night with two big gamblers who loved to call shoves pre. Lets say button straddles, five limpers, then a $80 shove, you get two callers no problem. J9o, QJ, 22, no problem. It turned into more of a coin flipping game than poker.

What is everyones opinions on this sort of game? Say you can easily get it in as a 60%/40% favorite if you are patient and shove AQ+ pre since virtually every pot was straddled with multiple limpers and two gamblers who would call with anything.

Worth playing? Obviously it's frustrating when JJ+ is cracked by random junk type hands. I don't know if it's worth flipping constantly pre, even with 10%+ equity, when I could table change and go to another table and play real poker.
If you can get the money in as a 60/40 a bunch of times you can be rich in no time.

Furthermore AQ+ is toooo tight here


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Old 09-28-2014, 01:32 AM   #7994
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I don't know if it's worth flipping constantly pre, even with 10%+ equity, when I could table change and go to another table and play real poker.
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Old 09-28-2014, 02:53 AM   #7995
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Hahaha I just LOL'd hard. 100% true.
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Old 09-28-2014, 08:21 AM   #7996
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Played a 1/2 game last night with two big gamblers who loved to call shoves pre. Lets say button straddles, five limpers, then a $80 shove, you get two callers no problem. J9o, QJ, 22, no problem. It turned into more of a coin flipping game than poker.

What is everyones opinions on this sort of game? Say you can easily get it in as a 60%/40% favorite if you are patient and shove AQ+ pre since virtually every pot was straddled with multiple limpers and two gamblers who would call with anything.

Worth playing? Obviously it's frustrating when JJ+ is cracked by random junk type hands. I don't know if it's worth flipping constantly pre, even with 10%+ equity, when I could table change and go to another table and play real poker.
Put me on the wait list!
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Old 09-28-2014, 11:22 AM   #7997
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What is everyones opinions on this sort of game? Say you can easily get it in as a 60%/40% favorite if you are patient and shove AQ+ pre since virtually every pot was straddled with multiple limpers and two gamblers who would call with anything.

Worth playing? Obviously it's frustrating when JJ+ is cracked by random junk type hands. I don't know if it's worth flipping constantly pre, even with 10%+ equity, when I could table change and go to another table and play real poker.
"Real poker" means seeking out this type of table and planting yourself there with multiple buy-ins in your pocket and waiting to profit.

Seriously, the only time I wouldn't be trying to get on a table like this is when I'm not playing poker that day.
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Old 09-29-2014, 05:45 PM   #7998
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Im finally caught up reading this thread! (Almost longer than reading the bible)
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Old 09-29-2014, 09:08 PM   #7999
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Definitely more useful than reading the bible.
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Lol @ "real poker"
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