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Old 08-22-2014, 12:32 AM   #7801
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are you really going to be happy beating 1/2 for $30 an hour in two, four and ten years time?

You're doing it wrong
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Old 08-22-2014, 01:00 AM   #7802
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doing what wrong, giving advice on moving up from 1/2?
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Old 08-22-2014, 01:08 AM   #7803
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There really are not many bigger games around here. They play 2/5 at casino 1 1/4 hours away on friday night but that's about it. I guess I am just ok with low stress $25 an hour.... I am hoping to hit Florida this winter and maybe play higher if things go well. ....to each his own I guess.
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Old 08-23-2014, 12:24 PM   #7804
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ive doing some rough calculations and estimated that i'm beating the game for around 8bb/hour, which seems pretty standard by this thread.

i'm just wondering though, because 8bb/hr translates to around 24+bb/100hands, doesn't that usually mean you're on a massive heater?

i mean i can only beat 6max 5c/10c online for about 4bb/100
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Old 08-23-2014, 12:31 PM   #7805
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In live poker the edge of a good player is massive compared to online tagfests

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Old 08-23-2014, 01:46 PM   #7806
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ive doing some rough calculations and estimated that i'm beating the game for around 8bb/hour, which seems pretty standard by this thread.

i'm just wondering though, because 8bb/hr translates to around 24+bb/100hands, doesn't that usually mean you're on a massive heater?

i mean i can only beat 6max 5c/10c online for about 4bb/100
Live games play much bigger than online games. Your villains are looser, preflop bets/raises are bigger, and the max buy in will usually be 150-200bb rather than 100.

If you're solid and you play a deep FR game against terrible loose players online, I guarantee you your winrate will be much greater than 20bb/100. The problem is those games don't really exist.
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Old 08-23-2014, 05:15 PM   #7807
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Bingo. And these win rates come after rake and tips.

It's truly amazing how bad live players are to online. Last time I tried (a year ago), I could beat .05/.10 on bovada, but, to my surprise and embarrassment, could not beat .10/.25 over a small sample. I actually felt slightly outclassed there. And I beat live 1/2 and 1/3 for 6/10bbs ($20) an hour. Live players are lacking many of the fundamentals that low stakes online players, bad as they are, have.
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Old 08-23-2014, 11:27 PM   #7808
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The difference between live and online is multitabling imo. Get everyone to one table and it becomes as bad as live.
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Old 08-24-2014, 03:07 AM   #7809
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When you figure the tags are 6 tabling and the fish 1 or 2, ya I can see how that effs up the ratio.
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Old 08-24-2014, 07:41 AM   #7810
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The difference between live and online is multitabling imo. Get everyone to one table and it becomes as bad as live.
Um, not this. The stat of bb won / 100 hands is not affected by the number of tables that you are playing.
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Old 08-24-2014, 07:56 AM   #7811
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Um, not this. The stat of bb won / 100 hands is not affected by the number of tables that you are playing.
Well it is a little because you have to give up +EV spots that require more concentration/observation if you're playing a lot of tables.

What OS meant, however, is that because grinders play many tables and fish play few, grinders occupy more space in a given poker site relative to their numbers.
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Old 08-24-2014, 09:51 AM   #7812
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Yeah, each fish seat is probably only 5-20% of each grinder's seats. Fish 2tbling, grinder 10tbling. So 10 fish that are 2tabling is 20 seats, while 10 grinders 12tabling is 120 seats for example.
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Old 08-24-2014, 10:20 AM   #7813
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Crazy thing is, now that I'm thinking about it...

Assume your b&m has 10 full 1/2 tables running, so 100 seats. Even if 70 of them are occupied by competent/TAG players and the other 30 are fish, that's still likely a better ratio than online.
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Old 08-24-2014, 10:29 AM   #7814
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Crazy thing is, now that I'm thinking about it...

Assume your b&m has 10 full 1/2 tables running, so 100 seats. Even if 70 of them are occupied by competent/TAG players and the other 30 are fish, that's still likely a better ratio than online.
No way in hell 70% of tables are tag/competent players.

I'd say 20% or less.
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Old 08-24-2014, 10:30 AM   #7815
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...and I thought he was talking about lack of patience. Even fish can fold J2o when they are two tabling and getting many more hands online, and double that if they have a quick fold button.
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Old 08-24-2014, 10:58 AM   #7816
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No way in hell 70% of tables are tag/competent players.

I'd say 20% or less.

Well aware. Just giving a worst-case example to show why there's such a difference in online vs. live cash games.
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Old 08-24-2014, 11:03 AM   #7817
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No way in hell 70% of tables are tag/competent players.

I'd say 20% or less.
He's just saying that even if it was that bad - which I doubt anywhere is - it would still be better than any given online table.
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Old 08-24-2014, 12:20 PM   #7818
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Just had my EIGHTH straight losing night.

Wondering how the hell that is possible?
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Old 08-24-2014, 12:47 PM   #7819
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You're a fish?

Oh, and fold
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Old 08-24-2014, 12:59 PM   #7820
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Just had my EIGHTH straight losing night.

Wondering how the hell that is possible?
Why isn't it possible?

And the idea of you thinking that it isn't possible may be the same hurdle that's causing you to keep the streak alive.
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Old 08-24-2014, 01:38 PM   #7821
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Why isn't it possible?

And the idea of you thinking that it isn't possible may be the same hurdle that's causing you to keep the streak alive.
should he increase his w/r to reduce variance?
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Old 08-24-2014, 01:56 PM   #7822
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should he increase his w/r to reduce variance?
Yes it would my trollish friend, yes it would.
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Old 08-24-2014, 09:11 PM   #7823
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Um, not this. The stat of bb won / 100 hands is not affected by the number of tables that you are playing.


I dont mean this. Online, good players play more tables, bad players play less tables. If you get the good live players to multitable live, then those games would feel reg infested as well.

Edit: what others said.
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Old 08-24-2014, 09:20 PM   #7824
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After 10-13 winning sessions, i experienced 5 losing sessions in a row. Not fun. Not fun at all. Then, i got bad beated with ahkh vs 8h9h on a qh 5h 3s flop all in an hour into my 6th session and it almost gutted me, not to mention leaving me with just 200 to play. Good thing, i came back to a 1000 night. Then, as i was leaving the casino happy, content and sleep deprived, i destroyed my car s front left side backing into a pole i hadnt seen. I am sure the bill is going to run into a couple of thou at least. So i guess its more poker on week nights to pay it off then. Not like i wont end putting something like 200 hrs of poker this month or anything!

Live poker: enjoy the roller coaster!
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Old 08-25-2014, 12:00 AM   #7825
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Then, as i was leaving the casino happy, content and sleep deprived, i destroyed my car s front left side backing into a pole i hadnt seen.
Lol omg this had me rolling. I dunno why, probably cuz it's something I would do.

I always feel so out of it when I leave the casino. It's like my body is tired, my mind, I almost feel like I'm in the twilight zone. I've had some close calls in the parking lot.

Better luck my friend. lolvariance
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