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Old 07-27-2014, 01:49 AM   #7651
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Old 07-27-2014, 02:02 AM   #7652
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What is a solid win rate (either monthly or bb/hour) for a live 2/5 reg putting in 180hrs per month? Thanks
Likely better than whatever you're making if you can't take the time to read some pages of a thread devoted just to win rates.

Where 7,500+ posts have been posted, and this question has likely been answered 20+ times. But you are too lazy too look for it, so you will ask it again.

You might dismiss me a trolling, but really, you get out what you put in.
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Old 07-27-2014, 02:49 AM   #7653
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Likely better than whatever you're making if you can't take the time to read some pages of a thread devoted just to win rates.

Where 7,500+ posts have been posted, and this question has likely been answered 20+ times. But you are too lazy too look for it, so you will ask it again.

You might dismiss me a trolling, but really, you get out what you put in.
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Old 07-28-2014, 03:28 AM   #7654
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It's tough to talk aloud to yourself for four minutes.
gotta tell u mang u definitely have reasonable social skillz to go with yer reasonable speaking skillz
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Old 07-28-2014, 09:45 AM   #7655
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^ At 1/3 you can make $30/hour in a lot of cities. So if you're not breaking that at 2/5, I'd just play 1/3.

I think Farha makes $40, I could be wrong though. Ever since PureAggression made that YouTube video of him and it sounds like his mouth is filled with a mix of peanut butter and maple syrup, I stopped reading his PGC thread.
Lol Come on man really? Second paragraph is pretty unnecessary
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Old 07-28-2014, 09:51 AM   #7656
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What is a solid win rate (either monthly or bb/hour) for a live 2/5 reg putting in 180hrs per month? Thanks
Depends on several factors:

Where?
What time of day?
Are you a sicko? Are you able to outdo / outplay the good players? (Aka shark amongst the sharks)
Do you tilt ?

Such a broad question that can't be answered without details. For example making 50$/hr ytd in Vegas is a beast, making 50$/hr in LA is much easier
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Old 07-28-2014, 09:55 AM   #7657
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^ At 1/3 you can make $30/hour in a lot of cities. So if you're not breaking that at 2/5, I'd just play 1/3.

I think Farha makes $40, I could be wrong though. Ever since PureAggression made that YouTube video of him and it sounds like his mouth is filled with a mix of peanut butter and maple syrup, I stopped reading his PGC thread.
Keeping it classy bro
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Old 07-28-2014, 11:03 AM   #7658
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Just crossed two 1/3 NL milestones in my last session.

1) Hit the 1,800 hour mark.

2) Officially booked my first ever 500bb downswing (down 539bb in my last 3 sessions).

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Old 07-28-2014, 11:09 AM   #7659
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After years of beating my head against the proverbial brick wall; I finally feel like I'm getting somewhere in this game...

Just wish I could play more, but there are only so many underground games around me and none are 24/7.

This is mostly 1/2 and 1/3 NL, but there is a small mix of 2/5 NL, 10/20 Limit and 20/40 Limit in the overall.

$/hour - $16.35
$/Session - $61.53
Hours - 782.7
Cashed - 113/208 (54%)
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Old 07-28-2014, 12:18 PM   #7660
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Lol only hitting one 500bb downswing in ~2k hours is a brag not a beat GG
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Old 07-28-2014, 12:21 PM   #7661
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Lol only hitting one 500bb downswing in ~2k hours is a brag not a beat GG
Ya, I know; I knew it would eventually happen, but it is still annoying.

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Old 07-28-2014, 01:27 PM   #7662
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Lol only hitting one 500bb downswing in ~2k hours is a brag not a beat GG

This. I have 2 separate 500 hour break even streaks and one 300 hour streak in a 2500 hour sample. Two biggest draw downs are 16k and 30k. Mostly plo.

One 500 bb downswing is very good.
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Old 07-28-2014, 01:29 PM   #7663
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Lol only hitting one 500bb downswing in ~2k hours is a brag not a beat GG
QFT. Hell, I hit those almost once per week.

But I may have some spew issues...
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Old 07-28-2014, 01:29 PM   #7664
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Mostly plo.
PLO is a different beast, isn't it? Like, aren't 500bb swings per hand common (only *slightly* exaggerating)?

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Old 07-28-2014, 01:35 PM   #7665
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PLO is a different beast, isn't it? Like, aren't 500bb swings per hand common (only *slightly* exaggerating)?

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Yes sir. Stacks usually deeper too.
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Old 07-28-2014, 01:38 PM   #7666
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I lost 500bb at the Wynn 1/3 game last week in 4 hours. Action game + big pots + lose most of them = 500bb gone. Don't know how anyone can possibly go 1800 hours without one....insane.
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Old 07-28-2014, 04:11 PM   #7667
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Made it to 200 hrs of 1/2 play. I'm a teacher so I put $1000 aside for a summer shot and decided I'd try to run up a bankroll and use some of the winnings (if any) to have a little fun.

Summer stats:

28 sessions of 1/2
202 hours
$34/hr
Total winnings: $6,924
64% winning sessions
Average session about 7 hours
Biggest win: $1,693 in 8 hrs
Biggest loss: $605 in 6.5 hrs

At this point, despite the very good overall results, I'm not sure I want to try to continue to put in hours. My bankroll only sits at $3,000 due to having to replace my A/C unexpectedly plus some car repairs etc. It's a 1 hr and 15 min drive to the casino so it's not worth going unless I play long sessions. I'm a little worn out and knowing that with as few hours as I'll be able to put in during the school year I could easily not win or lose for months.

I think I'll try to keep a couple thousand dollars aside to play occasionally and be in decent shape bankroll wise going into next summer. Major respect to you guys who do this for a living with no other source of income. If I were to go pro, which I wouldn't, I'd want a $10K bankroll plus 6 months of living expenses. I did notice that the bigger my bankroll got the better my mental state was at the table and the better I played overall.

I did meet a $1/2 pro who is currently looking to buy a multi-unit as a home and investment property. Smart guy and must be a damn good player to be in the position to do that. So to all you pros, I hope you run good and are planning your next move. And thanks to this forum which turned me from a breakeven rec player into a winner just by reading hands and strat threads.
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Old 07-28-2014, 04:43 PM   #7668
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So GG could literally grind 1/3 with a starting roll of $1500 and it would be extremely unlikely that he go broke. Sick. After blowing my load at 10/20 this past weekend it's time for me to channel my inner GG.
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Old 07-28-2014, 05:09 PM   #7669
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So GG could literally grind 1/3 with a starting roll of $1500 and it would be extremely unlikely that he go broke. Sick. After blowing my load at 10/20 this past weekend it's time for me to channel my inner GG.
If you find your inner GG, please ship it to me, cuz I've misplaced it.

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Old 07-28-2014, 05:24 PM   #7670
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I lost 500bb at the Wynn 1/3 game last week in 4 hours. Action game + big pots + lose most of them = 500bb gone. Don't know how anyone can possibly go 1800 hours without one....insane.
From hands I've posted that he replies to and other replies I've seen him give, he has a very non-aggressive preflop approach to the game. Like limping behind K9s OTB over other limps and then hoping to make a big hand. Many of us would prefer to raise and play with initiative in position.

But if they're going to limp pre and give you a stack post then why not? My local games were like that in like 2010-2011. You could limp behind 56o for $2, flop a straight and get a $300 stack vs. an "overpair" of limped 9's on a 478 flop. Sometimes $2 gives you access to their entire stack...nothing wrong with that approach if the game allows it and downswings are certainly extremely rare. Unfortunately my local games are nothing like that any more.
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Old 07-28-2014, 05:33 PM   #7671
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From hands I've posted that he replies to and other replies I've seen him give, he has a very non-aggressive preflop approach to the game. Like limping behind K9s OTB over other limps and then hoping to make a big hand. Many of us would prefer to raise and play with initiative in position.

But if they're going to limp pre and give you a stack post then why not? My local games were like that in like 2010-2011. You could limp behind 56o for $2, flop a straight and get a $300 stack vs. an "overpair" of limped 9's on a 478 flop. Sometimes $2 gives you access to their entire stack...nothing wrong with that approach if the game allows it and downswings are certainly extremely rare. Unfortunately my local games are nothing like that any more.
Ya, basically this. Pretty convinced it's still the best method at these lowest level stakes.

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Old 07-28-2014, 05:52 PM   #7672
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Yeah, your games are pretty far behind the learning curve in that sense GG.
Not that it's bad, but people here are too good at folding over pairs without history for that sort of thing.

Stupid east coast games that I play in.
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Old 07-28-2014, 06:02 PM   #7673
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Yeah, your games are pretty far behind the learning curve in that sense GG.
Not that it's bad, but people here are too good at folding over pairs without history for that sort of thing.

Stupid east coast games that I play in.
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I may exaggerate the games I play in. It's not as if every single hand someone is shipping in their stacks cuz they has a pear. And tables can be fairly bleh a large percentage of the time (like they were for large parts of last session). The key is to be patient though, do what you can at the bleh tables, and then be ready for the golden situations when the present themselves.
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Old 07-28-2014, 06:34 PM   #7674
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Around how many hours before winning or losing say 1-3 buyins has no affect on ones hourly rate?
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Old 07-28-2014, 06:44 PM   #7675
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Around how many hours before winning or losing say 1-3 buyins has no affect on ones hourly rate?
depends on how much a buy in is.. and what your definition of "no affect" is..

at a typical 1/2 game with a $300 buy in, 1-3 buy-ins will be $300-$900.

over 100 hours, that is $3-$9/hr
over 300 hours, that is $1-$3/hr
over 600 hours, it is $0.50-$1.50/hr

and so on...
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