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Old 06-19-2014, 07:05 AM   #7451
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This is completely standard right? I played about 50 hours for a profit of $1k before I started taking it seriously and logging my sessions so the stats aren't quite as bad as they seem. Haven't had a winning session bigger than +75bb since April 12. It's all 1/2 at MDL, CT and now Vegas for the past week.
I don't even know what you mean by "this is standard." Standard results for someone that is just starting to take the game seriously? I suppose so. Problem is, if you are looking for answers in your results you are probably looking in the wrong place. I've seen a huge fish go on a year long heater (over 500 hrs). It's rare, but it happens.

Point is, don't look for the answers in your results. They are misleading. Look for your answers at the table. Analyze your opponents play and see if you see holes in their game. When you see a lot of holes in your opponents' game that are not holes in your game then you can be confident that you are a winning player. If you start also noticing a lot of mistakes that winning players make that you do not make then it's quite likely that you are crushing.

Also, it goes without saying analyze your own play critically to find areas of improvement.
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Old 06-19-2014, 11:33 AM   #7452
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Thanks GPAD, figured as much. I do see leaks of other players, even the winning ones, that I don't make so that's a good sign. Will keep grinding and see what happens.
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Old 06-24-2014, 12:11 AM   #7453
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What percent of sessions are you guys winning?
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Old 06-24-2014, 12:19 AM   #7454
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I think average is near 65%. I have 69.7% right now, not huge sample though, under 100 sessions. I also play in a limited-profit, low-variance game. Should probably ask for the % and the region (MW).
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Old 06-24-2014, 10:59 AM   #7455
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What percent of sessions are you guys winning?
Currently sitting at 71.8% over 227 1/3NL sessions (average session length is 7.7 hours).

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Old 06-24-2014, 11:12 AM   #7456
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What percent of sessions are you guys winning?
69.7% this calendar year and I play full time
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Old 06-24-2014, 01:22 PM   #7457
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Between 70-80%. Currently on a 10 session winning streak, I hope this continues.
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Old 06-24-2014, 01:33 PM   #7458
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Session length is a dominating factor in this stat (win %)... and it is more like a trivia/curiosity than anything of worth. So.. FWIW - I am at 62% over ~a couple hundred sessions, many of them 3 hours or less.
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Old 06-24-2014, 01:40 PM   #7459
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67.6% over 225 sessions and 993 hours. The year before was around 72%. Anything over 60 is pretty solid.
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Old 06-24-2014, 02:18 PM   #7460
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What apps are ya'll using to keep records?
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Old 06-24-2014, 02:29 PM   #7461
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61%, only played 106 sessions tracked for average of 3.5 hours per session @ $35/hour.
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Old 06-24-2014, 02:47 PM   #7462
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Currently on a 10 session winning streak
Nice, congrats!

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Old 06-24-2014, 02:48 PM   #7463
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many of them 3 hours or less.
Hit & Run artist ITT.
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Old 06-24-2014, 02:48 PM   #7464
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I always thought the mark of a real man was how much crucial information he has written down on tiny scraps of paper he keeps in his wallet. That's my strategy while I'm playing. But I use that Excel thing when I get home.
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Old 06-24-2014, 02:50 PM   #7465
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I use iPhone's PokerJournal, plus I also keep my stats in an Excel spreadsheet.
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Old 06-24-2014, 02:54 PM   #7466
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What percent of sessions are you guys winning?
Haven't looked at that stat yet this year ... but it was about 2/3 previously.
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Old 06-24-2014, 03:19 PM   #7467
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Hit & Run artist ITT.
... oh yeah...well... I.. uhh...
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Old 06-24-2014, 03:57 PM   #7468
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Only 58% for me, but I play short sessions a lot. My wins are a lot bigger than my losses though and that's the bigger distinction.
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Old 06-24-2014, 03:59 PM   #7469
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I have only 55% over my Last 158 sessions (640 hours) but a 9bb/hour Win rate. This year i'm only having 48% (41/84) but still 8bb/ hour! What does this say about my games or play style? Or is this just variance?
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Old 06-24-2014, 04:05 PM   #7470
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% of Winning Session Stat is relatively meaningless. Anyone can achieve a high % of winning session stat just by "hit and ruhning" when they are winning a little and playing 24 hours straight until they get "unstuck." Obviously, that would be a horrendous strategy for any poker player (and will make a pro poker player busto pretty quickly).

The only numbers that really matter are: hourly win-rate, hours played, and total profit. I would actually say that hourly win-rate is also an over-rated statistic because I know a lot of poker players who artificially inflate their hourly win-rate by taking long breaks when games are just average and/or table-changing and casino-hopping like madmen for very marginal win-rate improvements that actually hurt their total profit per session significantly.

it is pretty hilarious to see people "pause" their smartphone live poker tracking apps when they are walking around the casino when the game slows down and/or is short-handed...just because they refuse to play if the action isn't red hot and/or there isn't a full 9-handed table. These are the same deluded individuals who fancy themselves "pros" when they are really wannabees.

If you are a top-notch live pro, you should probably only care about high-quality hours played and total profit per session/month/year. Everything else is smoke and mirrors...even hourly win-rate.
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Old 06-24-2014, 04:09 PM   #7471
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As bip! says, session winrate boils down to average session length. Take a lifetime winning player, and if that player only played 1 session with length of lifetime hours, they'd have a 100% session win percentage (assuming we're still on our A game in our 10,000th consecutive hour and we are allowed pee breaks). Break that lifetime length into 2 or 3 or 10 parts, probably ditto. Opposite is also true, as if we're pulling a lotta short sessions then short term variance can easily destroy those individual sessions.

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Old 06-24-2014, 06:25 PM   #7472
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The only numbers that really matter are: hourly win-rate, hours played, and total profit. I would actually say that hourly win-rate is also an over-rated statistic because I know a lot of poker players who artificially inflate their hourly win-rate by taking long breaks when games are just average and/or table-changing and casino-hopping like madmen for very marginal win-rate improvements that actually hurt their total profit per session significantly.
Yup. When the great Friday/Saturday night hours are over and it's 5am and the game's dying, do you have somewhere to be at 6am on a Sunday? You're hourly will hurt if you stay for another 3-4 hours, but if you make $20 over those 4 hours, you have $20 more than you would have otherwise.
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Old 06-24-2014, 09:41 PM   #7473
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Yes but McDonald's would have stopped servin quarter pounders and I'd have to get one of those nasty breakfast burrito things.
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Old 06-24-2014, 09:43 PM   #7474
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Nice, congrats!

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Do you include breakeven sessions in your streak?

And McDonalds breakfasts are awesome.
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Old 06-25-2014, 01:17 AM   #7475
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Yup. When the great Friday/Saturday night hours are over and it's 5am and the game's dying, do you have somewhere to be at 6am on a Sunday? You're hourly will hurt if you stay for another 3-4 hours, but if you make $20 over those 4 hours, you have $20 more than you would have otherwise.
I agree in part, but not sure this is quite the right way to think of it. There's an opportunity cost associated with literally everything. Even if the cost is just missing out on some sleeping, odds are that affects some stuff the next day. And if you're a pro, that's potentially affecting your game the next day. But I agree in principle that it's much, MUCH more about money earned than hourly rate.
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