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Old 05-18-2014, 12:29 PM   #7201
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You're saying you had 25 straight winning sessions or 25 sessions where you never lost twice in a row?

Why at this point does it matter if you can beat the game for 8-10 bbs/hr? It's quite clear that you can beat the game. Why not put in less hours, in particular put in less hours after a losing session? You admitted that you aren't playing your A game. Your results are partially due to variance and partially due to bad play.

BTW, I don't consider $1.2k losses to be "extremely big" losing sessions.
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Old 05-18-2014, 01:34 PM   #7202
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im beating my local game 1/2nl at crown casino for $80/hr last 3 sessions... but usually its around $30-$40. Btw, we have a 10% rake that caps at 20 dollars here in australia which is kind of ****ty lol. also minbuyin is 40 max buyin 80. heaps of fish and old retirees chasing cards and draws you should all move down under.
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Old 05-18-2014, 02:29 PM   #7203
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im beating my local game 1/2nl at crown casino for $80/hr last 3 sessions... but usually its around $30-$40. Btw, we have a 10% rake that caps at 20 dollars here in australia which is kind of ****ty lol. also minbuyin is 40 max buyin 80. heaps of fish and old retirees chasing cards and draws you should all move down under.
Yep sounds legit.
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Old 05-18-2014, 04:25 PM   #7204
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You're saying you had 25 straight winning sessions or 25 sessions where you never lost twice in a row?

Why at this point does it matter if you can beat the game for 8-10 bbs/hr? It's quite clear that you can beat the game. Why not put in less hours, in particular put in less hours after a losing session? You admitted that you aren't playing your A game. Your results are partially due to variance and partially due to bad play.

BTW, I don't consider $1.2k losses to be "extremely big" losing sessions.
25 straight winners in a row. I had a hard time losing so if I was down a lot I would just pull a 24-30hr bender till I got unstuck. Had very few losers but when I did it was pretty significant.
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Old 05-18-2014, 04:29 PM   #7205
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25 straight winners in a row. I had a hard time losing so if I was down a lot I would just pull a 24-30hr bender till I got unstuck. Had very few losers but when I did it was pretty significant.
That is absolutely horrible for your health. If you want longevity in the game or just in life you need to be a friend to yourself. I think you'll find your hourly rate go up as well

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Old 05-18-2014, 05:25 PM   #7206
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360 hours in a month is insane...jesus
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Old 05-18-2014, 05:52 PM   #7207
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Poker Journal by far.

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Old 05-18-2014, 07:07 PM   #7208
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25 straight winners in a row. I had a hard time losing so if I was down a lot I would just pull a 24-30hr bender till I got unstuck. Had very few losers but when I did it was pretty significant.
Good luck with your poker career, especially if you have hard time losing.
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Old 05-18-2014, 07:31 PM   #7209
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25 straight winners in a row. I had a hard time losing so if I was down a lot I would just pull a 24-30hr bender till I got unstuck. Had very few losers but when I did it was pretty significant.
Playing til unstuck is ******ed, the game is not going anywhere. This will only increase your losing sessions and decrease your winners as you will be playing worse as the session goes on.
Looks like you ran redic hot first month, got overconfident and couldn't suck up a few losing days the next.
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Old 05-18-2014, 11:24 PM   #7210
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Yep sounds legit.
you can check crown casino australia website for confirmation of rake. 1/2 10% caps at 20 and 2/5 i think was 14% with 30 cap or something along the lines of that, im 100% sure of the 1/2 cap tho. And we have soft games here it's not the U.S. where everyone thinks theyre a superstar, you have drunk people with no idea how to play buying in max 80 playing 1 hand calling raises PF and Flop where they ship it with Ax or draws. Anyone who has played at crown casino in melbourne can confirm this
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Old 05-18-2014, 11:27 PM   #7211
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you can check crown casino australia website for confirmation of rake. 1/2 10% caps at 20 and 2/5 i think was 14% with 30 cap or something along the lines of that, im 100% sure of the 1/2 cap tho. And we have soft games here it's not the U.S. where everyone thinks theyre a superstar, you have drunk people with no idea how to play buying in max 80 playing 1 hand calling raises PF and Flop where they ship it with Ax or draws. Anyone who has played at crown casino in melbourne can confirm this
I don't think he was questioning the rake/structure of the game. He was questioning the ability of anyone to beat it.
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Old 05-18-2014, 11:38 PM   #7212
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its actually reallllllllllly soft, not hard to beat at all but yeah these are the rake and "sitting" charge.

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Old 05-19-2014, 12:10 AM   #7213
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I know it varies greatly, but I want to hear from people who play or who have played 1-2 , 2-4, or 5-10 and was profitable.

1. What is an expected win rate in those games at a local cardroom or casino

2. Is a local cardroom or casino better to play at?

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Old 05-19-2014, 02:19 AM   #7214
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My understanding is that anything over $80/hr at Crown Casino's 1/2 is unsustainable. Everyone's solid.
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Old 05-19-2014, 02:30 AM   #7215
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My understanding is that anything over $80/hr at Crown Casino's 1/2 is unsustainable. Everyone's solid.
$80/hr in a Vegas $1/2 game is definitely sustainable. We won't even touch the cash cow known as $2/4 limit.
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Old 05-19-2014, 02:56 AM   #7216
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My understanding is that anything over $80/hr at Crown Casino's 1/2 is unsustainable. Everyone's solid.


yeah i said i was on a heater last few days, bought in for max walk out 600-800 after 8 hrs. usually its 30-40 tho an hour
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Old 05-19-2014, 02:58 AM   #7217
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it's rather disgusting seeing all these casino's just raping the poker community. anything over 10% $5 max rake is excessive. $20 is criminal.
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Old 05-19-2014, 03:08 AM   #7218
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yeah australias high living costs and inflation are the cause of this, dealers are paid 23-28 bucks an hour regardless of day and night and they cant accept tips, apparently theyre illegal. Seems like a robbery in progress, i guess the casino always wins!
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Old 05-19-2014, 06:18 PM   #7219
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$80/hr in a Vegas $1/2 game is definitely sustainable. We won't even touch the cash cow known as $2/4 limit.
prove it.

1,000 hours minimum. So that's six months of 40/hrs week.

Profit: $80K.

Good luck.
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Old 05-19-2014, 06:25 PM   #7220
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prove it.

1,000 hours minimum. So that's six months of 40/hrs week.

Profit: $80K.

Good luck.
Pretty sure you just got trolled bro.
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Old 05-19-2014, 07:32 PM   #7221
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$80/hr in a Vegas $1/2 game is definitely sustainable. We won't even touch the cash cow known as $2/4 limit.
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prove it.

1,000 hours minimum. So that's six months of 40/hrs week.

Profit: $80K.

Good luck.
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Old 05-19-2014, 07:40 PM   #7222
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yeah i said i was on a heater last few days, bought in for max walk out 600-800 after 8 hrs. usually its 30-40 tho an hour
Oh yah foe sho. With that low rake capped at $20 and the ability to buy in for anywhere from $40 to $80 then $40/hr in that 1/2 game is supa easy. I bet you even see $200 pots from time to time which makes me think $80/hr is definitely achievable.
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Old 05-19-2014, 07:43 PM   #7223
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I don't understand why people are making jokes when people are really trying to get some solid information. :\

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Old 05-19-2014, 07:49 PM   #7224
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I don't understand why people are making jokes when people are really trying to get some solid information. :\

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LOL. Hate to break to you man, but if you're going to ask a question that has been asked hundreds of times, you are not going to get a decent answer.

Try to search on your own.
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Old 05-20-2014, 02:09 PM   #7225
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poker room selection based on location/rake, how to decide?

When I get ready to play a live session, I have three options, all of which 1 hour driving distance or less. Most of my poker career, I thought like an amateur, something like: "just pick one and hope for a good session". But I have evolved in my analysis of game selection (among many other aspects of my game), and now I know I can do better than that.

But how do I choose? I still feel like my selection is arbitrary. For the moment, I am a $1/$2 NL player, occasionally $2/$5 NL. Let's also assume that all poker rooms have the normal distribution of fish, regs etc so they are all equally beatable (based solely on the skill level variable).

Option 1
15 minute drive
$1/$2 runs anywhere from 4-7 tables most of the time
min buy-in $60, max buy-in $200
rake = 10% up to $5 + $1 or $2 for BBJ/promotions (no flop, no drop, but only 80% sure)
no automatic card shuffler

Option 2
1 hour drive
$1/$2 runs anywhere from 6-12 tables most of the time
min buy-in $60, max buy-in $300
rake = 10% up to $5 + $1 or $2 for BBJ/promotions (there's a drop even preflop)
has an automatic shuffler

Option 3
1 hour drive
no $1/$2, it's $1/$3, runs anywhere from 4-8 tables most of the time
min buy-in $100, max buy-in $300
rake = 10% up to $5 + $1 or $2 for BBJ/promotions (I don't know if drop occurs preflop or not)
has an automatic shuffler

I'm curious as to feedback on this. Thanks.
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