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Old 03-08-2014, 09:01 PM   #6676
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At 10-25 or higher all you see is $75 opens. And the occasional fish who sits down and opens to $125 with AA and everybody folds
In actuality, if difference is 2bb and villain is playing his hand faced up, decent players are more likely to call than to fold.

And the point ECGrinder was making is a valid one, you want to raise with sizing that makes sense in a game. If a villain has called 8bb raises with 86s, it would be bad to raise 4bb with AA for the sake of balance.

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Old 03-08-2014, 10:43 PM   #6677
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don't want to derail this into a strat thread, so to some it up I'll just say this (my actual answer that I started to post was well over 1000 words, and ain't nobody got time for that)

i have time for 10K+ words post from you if your post is anything remotely as insightful as your previous one (thank you for that!).

i too do not want to derail this thread into a strat thread but what king fish has shared with us is pure gem. hope everyone does not mind too much.
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Old 03-09-2014, 03:37 AM   #6678
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Hoping im not jinxing myself but after 60 hours of breaking even (win 1 lose 1, win 2 lose a big one), finally went last 4 sessions at 21BB/hour. There is a glimmer of light!
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Old 03-09-2014, 08:23 AM   #6679
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don't want to derail this into a strat thread, so to some it up I'll just say this (my actual answer that I started to post was well over 1000 words, and ain't nobody got time for that):

I raise smaller earlier because of my style and preference for multiway action. I am an information junkie, one of my biggest poker strengths is hand reading, and I prefer to see how a hand develops. And because of this style, the main reason I keep early opens small is I would rather not play inflated pots OOP.

The result is that yes, I "spew" quite a bit speculating and don't get optimal early value from monster hands OOP. I lose lots of sklansky bucks and value with big hands in ep, but I do gain it back in volume.

I will post more in a different section why this works for me (and why I tell every student/poker protégée I've ever mentored NOT to play my style or try to replicate it). The short answer is : I have near photographic recall of all hands opponents have played. IOW, I'm lucky enough to have a HUD in my head. It lets me get creative.

And yes, there are times when I vary my opening size but they involve table dynamics and other variables (generally) not associated with hand strength. But generally the 3BB EP opening works well for me. And not just over the 1k hours tracked with poker journal. Have had success with it for many years (live not online necc.).

My VPIP for a full ring low limit NL game is probably somewhere around 35-40%. Fish on a heater.
How often are you pulling off crazy bluffs? I would love to pick your brain sometime on your play style.
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Old 03-10-2014, 06:18 AM   #6680
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Hoping im not jinxing myself but after 60 hours of breaking even (win 1 lose 1, win 2 lose a big one), finally went last 4 sessions at 21BB/hour. There is a glimmer of light!
Pretty normal example of upswing like variance
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Old 03-10-2014, 06:43 AM   #6681
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Pretty normal example of upswing like variance
Yes i know, still annoying to go through the BE stretch though when you are playing part time like me and 60 hours is like 2 months, so im glad to be back into the swing of things.
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Old 03-13-2014, 03:48 AM   #6682
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For those of you who keep a good deal of cash at home, do you keep any of it in a fire safe? I recently had this suggested to me, and it sounds pretty smart, as obviously I'm not insured for my cash assets.
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Old 03-13-2014, 03:53 AM   #6683
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For those of you who keep a good deal of cash at home, do you keep any of it in a fire safe? I recently had this suggested to me, and it sounds pretty smart, as obviously I'm not insured for my cash assets.
I keep it in a sock buried under dirty laundry
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Old 03-13-2014, 03:53 AM   #6684
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For those of you who keep a good deal of cash at home, do you keep any of it in a fire safe? I recently had this suggested to me, and it sounds pretty smart, as obviously I'm not insured for my cash assets.
Been considering one.

I don't keep an awful lot of cash handy, just a couple of grand for a few buy ins. If I lost it it would be irritating but not BR busting.

But they're also handy for *OTHER* things that you keep at home that are annoyingly difficult to replace after a fire. Passports, birth certificates, car titles, whatever.
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Old 03-13-2014, 04:18 AM   #6685
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I have a safe, but my bank is also literally one block from my home so I don't have much excuse for not depositing what I don't need. It's more for the stuff the post above me mentions.

Had my first losing session of 2/5 this year after "moving up" (one table runs every night, so there are like ~20 players who play 2/5).
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Old 03-13-2014, 04:18 AM   #6686
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They just raised the 1/2 game to $300max at the Horseshoe Cleveland

I never had the roll to play 2/5 since "Black Friday" and did not like the short stacked 50min 200max games. Going to start playing FT 40+ hrs/week starting in May.

Don't know many people, so hit me up if any of you are regs there and want to talk some general poker and share info on game selection, best times to grind & other stuff etc....
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Old 03-13-2014, 07:17 AM   #6687
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Playing for a living, what kind of bankroll would you guys suggest before i moved up to 10-25? Ive been staying within the 50 buyins convention, but somehow i feel like the higher variance inherent in tougher games means $125k wont be enough.
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Old 03-13-2014, 10:27 AM   #6688
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Playing for a living, what kind of bankroll would you guys suggest before i moved up to 10-25? Ive been staying within the 50 buyins convention, but somehow i feel like the higher variance inherent in tougher games means $125k wont be enough.
I've never played that high, but I'd think you should up it to 60 bi and drop down if you lose 5-10 bi. Is it standard 100bb or does it play bigger?
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Old 03-13-2014, 10:33 AM   #6689
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Lol sick brag bro
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Old 03-13-2014, 11:02 AM   #6690
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Lol this too
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Old 03-13-2014, 11:18 AM   #6691
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I feel most 10/20+ games are a min buy of 100bbs... with most pros buying deeper. Figure average stack is 200bb+... but that still is not the biggest factor in BR decisions - WR / variance is what matters. Basically, WR solves all in terms of RoR... in fact, rather than max EV - people should probably play whatever max level they can beat for 8+bb/hr IMO. Even if at double the stakes you were a 5bb/hr winner (vs 8bb/hr at half stake)... I feel the trade off in downswings makes the smaller game more appealing
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Old 03-13-2014, 11:29 AM   #6692
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what do you think of the rakesystem in Berlin?

is it comparable to your rake in the US? or is it way higher? would you play there?

http://www.spielbank-berlin.de/poker...ab01042013.pdf
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Old 03-13-2014, 11:55 AM   #6693
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For those of you who keep a good deal of cash at home, do you keep any of it in a fire safe? I recently had this suggested to me, and it sounds pretty smart, as obviously I'm not insured for my cash assets.
Lotta creative ways to store cash. Fire safe is a good place for some. Its better to put cash in different places for.risk mitigation reasons. (Sock drawer, safe, buried in insulation, back yard, etc)
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Old 03-13-2014, 12:19 PM   #6694
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I might be wrong, but I think its impossible to insure "cash".
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Old 03-13-2014, 12:31 PM   #6695
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what do you think of the rakesystem in Berlin?

is it comparable to your rake in the US? or is it way higher? would you play there?

http://www.spielbank-berlin.de/poker...ab01042013.pdf

If I'm reading that correctly the rake is incredibly high. In the US the typical rake is $4-7, $7 being on the higher end, and they are capped there.

In many Florida rooms it is $5+$1, $5 for the rake and $1 to player promotions.

But it caps at $5 which is what is important. Yours cap at €20 or even €30 which seems nuts.

Another way of putting it, here a $100 pot is raked $6. A $5,000 pot is raked $6.
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Old 03-13-2014, 12:34 PM   #6696
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For those of you who keep a good deal of cash at home, do you keep any of it in a fire safe? I recently had this suggested to me, and it sounds pretty smart, as obviously I'm not insured for my cash assets.
Do not keep a "good deal" (obvious relative term) of cash at home if:
1. You have roommates
2. You have people over often
3. You have a cleaning crew
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Old 03-13-2014, 12:47 PM   #6697
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Do not keep a "good deal" (obvious relative term) of cash at home if:
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2. You have people over often
3. You have a cleaning crew

Yes. Good advice. I saw an awesome little safe that looks like an electrical wall outlet. Not very big but very clever.
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Old 03-13-2014, 01:30 PM   #6698
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Rake everywhere outside of the us is awful but the players in Europe are supposedly lol because god players know the rake and stay home.
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Old 03-13-2014, 01:55 PM   #6699
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had a friend that recently offered to weld a small safe into the trunk of my civic coupe - he is positive he can always remove it w/o causing damage

thoughts?

offhand, only potential downside i see is someone noticing i'm handling money from my trunk thus a heightened likelihood they just steal the car...
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Old 03-13-2014, 02:01 PM   #6700
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had a friend that recently offered to weld a small safe into the trunk of my civic coupe - he is positive he can always remove it w/o causing damage

thoughts?

offhand, only potential downside i see is someone noticing i'm handling money from my trunk thus a heightened likelihood they just steal the car...
This is way more conspicuous than carrying money in your pocket. If you're playing LLSNL I couldn't imagine holding a limit that wouldn't comfortable fit in my pocket (can easily do that with $5K).
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