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View Poll Results: What is your Win Rate in terms of BB per Housr
Less than 0 (losing)
5 6.41%
0-2.5
0 0%
2.5-5
6 7.69%
5-7.5
8 10.26%
7.5-10
15 19.23%
10+
26 33.33%
Not enough sample size/I don't know
18 23.08%

03-07-2014 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by scourrge
Lol. Sick 70% winning sessions - do they just close their eyes and push their chips around???

It's always been my impression that without playing super long average sessions, winning players tend to have somewhere around 55:45 or 60:40 wins:losses. (Looks like you average 3.6 hours/session, which isn't really that long.)
I'm currently sitting at 71.9% after 210 1/3 NL sessions (with average session length being 7.58 hours).

Gcourse,I'mprobablyalsorunninglikeGod'solderbetter lookingbrotherG
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03-07-2014 , 12:29 PM
Thank you for your insightful post. Alot of what you describe is exactly what he does. I think my biggest leak is not folding in thin spots which a lot of people don't realize is probably one of the biggest factors in a strong lag players game.

When you say most mistakes are made on the turn (and river), can you elaborate? Do you have examples?
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03-07-2014 , 01:00 PM
I stand corrected on my wins:losses numbers knowledge - thanks for input, fellas.

Thanks for your post, King Fish. I really like the idea of people being extremely experienced preflop, pretty experienced on the flop, and then only marginally experienced on turns and rivers. Especially for tight players, they just aren't going to see that many turns and rivers in which they are being forced to make marginal decisions. Quality post. Thanks again.
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03-07-2014 , 01:18 PM
Great post and amazing results King Fish.
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03-08-2014 , 03:20 AM
Whats the name of the phone App you guys are using to track your live sessions? Is it available for Android devices?
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03-08-2014 , 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted by jakevegas79
Whats the name of the phone App you guys are using to track your live sessions? Is it available for Android devices?
Poker journal. Pretty sure it's on android too
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03-08-2014 , 03:39 AM
Poker income is the best android app
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03-08-2014 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by wj94
Poker journal. Pretty sure it's on android too
Poker journal not on android
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03-08-2014 , 02:20 PM
I use poker manager pro for droid. Same filters and.stuff but I like the clean interface more than poker income. Poker income looks like tron. Personal preferences.
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03-08-2014 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by King Fish
My standard opening raise (and again I do adjust to tables) is 3 BB from ep, and 3-4BB mid position.
i guess i've been doing it backwards all this time. my standard raise is 5BB from EP and 4BB from LP. my reasoning is that i only raise premium hands from EP and can withstand a re-raise whereas i want to give up my weaker holding from LP with minimum invested if there's re-raise.
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03-08-2014 , 04:29 PM
My standard is 4bb ep 3bb lp.
Ill make it 5bb ep and 4 bb lp if the table is too loose or if stacks are deep
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03-08-2014 , 05:00 PM
****. Missed the 6,666th post by two...
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03-08-2014 , 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by genghiskan
i guess i've been doing it backwards all this time. my standard raise is 5BB from EP and 4BB from LP. my reasoning is that i only raise premium hands from EP and can withstand a re-raise whereas i want to give up my weaker holding from LP with minimum invested if there's re-raise.
Independent of limpers this makes sense. Your range should be wider and weaker in LP, justifying a smaller raise size if the pot is un-opened. But if there are 2-3 limpers in front it your range should be a little tighter (maybe), and you'll need a little larger size to get FE from the limpers.
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03-08-2014 , 06:11 PM
Release the desire for "standard" raise sizes. Figure out the maximum ev size for your particular situation and raise that amount. Live poker is about maximizing every edge, not simplifying decisions

/derail this isn't a strategy thread
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03-08-2014 , 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Angrist
Independent of limpers this makes sense. Your range should be wider and weaker in LP, justifying a smaller raise size if the pot is un-opened. But if there are 2-3 limpers in front it your range should be a little tighter (maybe), and you'll need a little larger size to get FE from the limpers.
Ignoring other factors for the moment:

EP: range tighter and open sizing smaller

LP: range wider and open sizing bigger (sometimes much bigger)

They do a pretty go job of explaining this in "Mathematics of Poker", Chen.

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King Fish... thanks man. Great post. I'm a big believer in the "trade small mistakes for big ones" philosophy.
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03-08-2014 , 07:51 PM
In general, I open -larger- from EP (I want people to pay to play hands in position vs me).

In late position, I open smaller, even (or especially) with my big hands, 'cause I want to entice the blinds into playing a hand with me when I'm in position.

Can be very table dynamic, obviously. If there's an aggro guy that loves to pounce on limps or 3-bet, I open small and wait for him to raise the 3 limpers to him etc.
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03-08-2014 , 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ECGrinder
Release the desire for "standard" raise sizes. Figure out the maximum ev size for your particular situation and raise that amount. Live poker is about maximizing every edge, not simplifying decisions

/derail this isn't a strategy thread
Bad habits are bad. Good players will easily sniff out when you are strong or weak based on your sizing. Most good players standardize their raise size pre.

At 10-25 or higher all you see is $75 opens. And the occasional fish who sits down and opens to $125 with AA and everybody folds
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03-08-2014 , 08:01 PM
don't want to derail this into a strat thread, so to some it up I'll just say this (my actual answer that I started to post was well over 1000 words, and ain't nobody got time for that):

I raise smaller earlier because of my style and preference for multiway action. I am an information junkie, one of my biggest poker strengths is hand reading, and I prefer to see how a hand develops. And because of this style, the main reason I keep early opens small is I would rather not play inflated pots OOP.

The result is that yes, I "spew" quite a bit speculating and don't get optimal early value from monster hands OOP. I lose lots of sklansky bucks and value with big hands in ep, but I do gain it back in volume.

I will post more in a different section why this works for me (and why I tell every student/poker protégée I've ever mentored NOT to play my style or try to replicate it). The short answer is : I have near photographic recall of all hands opponents have played. IOW, I'm lucky enough to have a HUD in my head. It lets me get creative.

And yes, there are times when I vary my opening size but they involve table dynamics and other variables (generally) not associated with hand strength. But generally the 3BB EP opening works well for me. And not just over the 1k hours tracked with poker journal. Have had success with it for many years (live not online necc.).

My VPIP for a full ring low limit NL game is probably somewhere around 35-40%. Fish on a heater.
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03-08-2014 , 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by HappyLuckBox
Bad habits are bad. Good players will easily sniff out when you are strong or weak based on your sizing. Most good players standardize their raise size pre.

At 10-25 or higher all you see is $75 opens. And the occasional fish who sits down and opens to $125 with AA and everybody folds
Your not getting it. Weigh your oponnents, not yourselves. I'm not saying open based on hand strength, that's ROFL
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03-08-2014 , 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by HappyLuckBox
At 10-25 or higher all you see is $75 opens. And the occasional fish who sits down and opens to $125 with AA and everybody folds
In actuality, if difference is 2bb and villain is playing his hand faced up, decent players are more likely to call than to fold.

And the point ECGrinder was making is a valid one, you want to raise with sizing that makes sense in a game. If a villain has called 8bb raises with 86s, it would be bad to raise 4bb with AA for the sake of balance.

Last edited by Richard Parker; 03-08-2014 at 09:06 PM.
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03-08-2014 , 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by King Fish
don't want to derail this into a strat thread, so to some it up I'll just say this (my actual answer that I started to post was well over 1000 words, and ain't nobody got time for that)

i have time for 10K+ words post from you if your post is anything remotely as insightful as your previous one (thank you for that!).

i too do not want to derail this thread into a strat thread but what king fish has shared with us is pure gem. hope everyone does not mind too much.
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03-09-2014 , 03:37 AM
Hoping im not jinxing myself but after 60 hours of breaking even (win 1 lose 1, win 2 lose a big one), finally went last 4 sessions at 21BB/hour. There is a glimmer of light!
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03-09-2014 , 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by King Fish
don't want to derail this into a strat thread, so to some it up I'll just say this (my actual answer that I started to post was well over 1000 words, and ain't nobody got time for that):

I raise smaller earlier because of my style and preference for multiway action. I am an information junkie, one of my biggest poker strengths is hand reading, and I prefer to see how a hand develops. And because of this style, the main reason I keep early opens small is I would rather not play inflated pots OOP.

The result is that yes, I "spew" quite a bit speculating and don't get optimal early value from monster hands OOP. I lose lots of sklansky bucks and value with big hands in ep, but I do gain it back in volume.

I will post more in a different section why this works for me (and why I tell every student/poker protégée I've ever mentored NOT to play my style or try to replicate it). The short answer is : I have near photographic recall of all hands opponents have played. IOW, I'm lucky enough to have a HUD in my head. It lets me get creative.

And yes, there are times when I vary my opening size but they involve table dynamics and other variables (generally) not associated with hand strength. But generally the 3BB EP opening works well for me. And not just over the 1k hours tracked with poker journal. Have had success with it for many years (live not online necc.).

My VPIP for a full ring low limit NL game is probably somewhere around 35-40%. Fish on a heater.
How often are you pulling off crazy bluffs? I would love to pick your brain sometime on your play style.
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03-10-2014 , 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Snowball2
Hoping im not jinxing myself but after 60 hours of breaking even (win 1 lose 1, win 2 lose a big one), finally went last 4 sessions at 21BB/hour. There is a glimmer of light!
Pretty normal example of upswing like variance
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03-10-2014 , 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Pay4Myschool
Pretty normal example of upswing like variance
Yes i know, still annoying to go through the BE stretch though when you are playing part time like me and 60 hours is like 2 months, so im glad to be back into the swing of things.
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