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Old 03-04-2014, 11:26 AM   #6601
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Redline for most winning online players is usually slightly negative or breakeven.
why?

im not sure you get where redline profit comes from... you seem to be laboring under the misconception that saying "redline is a major component of beating 2/5" is the same as saying "bluffing is a major component of beating 2/5". This is not the case.

A player who is "valuetowning" his opponents should have a pretty good redline provided those opponents are just regular bad and not super bad. DUCY?

(not saying bluffing necessarily isn't... just that the issue is seperate from redline)
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Old 03-04-2014, 11:40 AM   #6602
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Currently in a $1800 downswing. Wr has varied between 13-22hr over 456hr sample(yea its small don't judge), roll roughly 3.2k play 2-100 spread. Help me not lose my mind and roll plz


I have had.break even stretches longer than your.entire sample. You will be fine. Just don't tilt. Ever. =]

In live poker not.tilting and.value.betting well make.u more.money than hero calls. Soul reading. And. Other.common "poker skills"
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Old 03-04-2014, 12:08 PM   #6603
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This right here folks is why poker will never die
I'm asking for a specific link to late position playing. There's like 50 articles there, none which addresses that topic specifically.

Don't think I haven't read the other stuff. Get off your high horse.
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Old 03-04-2014, 12:10 PM   #6604
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Oops shouldn't have recommended him micro fr stickies in that case. Way too much content in there. Who wants that?
What I want is specific threads on LATE POSITION playing. I have tried to search and look through other stuff. guess you too cool to help out a newbie huh.
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Old 03-04-2014, 12:29 PM   #6605
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This book may be too advance, but so are some of the concepts behind late position plays:

http://redchippoker.com/store/late-position-ebook/
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Old 03-04-2014, 02:49 PM   #6606
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Had a pretty awful January but played a ton of hours (over 180!). Was averaging about $3/hour after a big downswing mid-month including my longest losing streak ever (8 sessions), biggest losing session in a 1/2 or 1/3 game ($1800), and the worst run-bad I can remember over that 8-session span. Was probably -$5-6k all-in EV for January, lost a lot of $800+ pots getting it in way ahead.

February was great, but was out of town for two weeks so not many hours played. Think there is one or two short 2/5 sessions sprinkled in, but most of this is at 1/2 with a few days of 1/3 at the Palms when they were giving away all the jackpot money.

January:




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1/2 stats to date since I started keeping track of hours in November:




2/5 stats to date since November:

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Old 03-04-2014, 04:02 PM   #6607
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^^^^

Not sure what is more impressive wj: your crushing stats, your ability to plow thru the run bad, or just the dedication to the hours you put in.

Gimpressive,imoG
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Old 03-04-2014, 06:23 PM   #6608
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I have had.break even stretches longer than your.entire sample. You will be fine. Just don't tilt. Ever. =]

In live poker not.tilting and.value.betting well make.u more.money than hero calls. Soul reading. And. Other.common "poker skills"
Agreed its something I felt like I've gotten better at but still need to work on. I will jump back on ship pout free ty
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Old 03-04-2014, 10:12 PM   #6609
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^^^^

Not sure what is more impressive wj: your crushing stats, your ability to plow thru the run bad, or just the dedication to the hours you put in.

Gimpressive,imoG
Yeah amazing results for february, and despite all that running bad for jan, stats still impressive for 1/2 and for sure above average even among winning players. Well done
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Old 03-05-2014, 03:42 AM   #6610
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Great graphs wj. You are crushing
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Old 03-05-2014, 10:55 AM   #6611
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nice graphs. very impressive

If you start with 300 on 1/2 NL how often will you rebuy in a given day before calling it quits when you are running bad, just wondering?

GL keep crushing
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Old 03-05-2014, 01:39 PM   #6612
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^^^^

Not sure what is more impressive wj: your crushing stats, your ability to plow thru the run bad, or just the dedication to the hours you put in.

Gimpressive,imoG
Thanks. When running bad I just consider it a temporary loan, they always give it back in the end.

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nice graphs. very impressive

If you start with 300 on 1/2 NL how often will you rebuy in a given day before calling it quits when you are running bad, just wondering?

GL keep crushing
I usually just top off my stack when it gets below ~$250. Stop-loss always depends on how good the game is, but generally 3-4 buy-ins is my max. If the game is amazing I'll just keep buying in. The Palms game that I lost $1800 on was playing more like a $2/5 with a ultimate last action button straddle and lots of splash pots and aggro players driving the action. Just ran incredibly bad, lost AT < A9 all-in pre for $1000 pot (splash pot ftw) when he binked a river 9. Lost JJ vs 78s in a 4-bet pot for $900 when he flopped a SF draw and got there with half of stacks in pre, lost JJ vs 27s on a 27x board, lost AA vs Tx on a TxxT drawy board, you get the idea. So that sucked, but took a couple days off to relax and got it all back and more the following week.
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Old 03-05-2014, 01:49 PM   #6613
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Do you play with a time limit? How do you know when to cash out when you're losing?
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Old 03-05-2014, 02:02 PM   #6614
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its a shame you ended up taking a break in Feb. If you had played full hours, you might have been able to go back into that "100K in 1 year" thread and talk trash about being on pace to all the ppl that were saying it couldnt be done.
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Old 03-05-2014, 02:02 PM   #6615
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Do you play with a time limit? How do you know when to cash out when you're losing?
No time limit, cashing out just depends on how the game is going. If the action is good and/or stacks are deep, I'll stay for a while and try to get unstuck, but if the action players/fish leave and the table selection sucks I'll call it a night. Sometimes it gets down to one or two short-handed tables and it's near-impossible to generate any big pots...at that point it's time to go home.

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its a shame you ended up taking a break in Feb. If you had played full hours, you might have been able to go back into that "100K in 1 year" thread and talk trash about being on pace to all the ppl that were saying it couldnt be done.
Visited grandpa for a week and then ended up with an unexpected trip cross country to work on a big insurance case, didn't have much choice. I still think $100k has at least a 10% chance of happening for a player that can crush and put in the hours. Hard to play that many hours when I have a "real job", January was just an anomaly. Most months are more like 90-140 hours. Played a ton of hours in January spending all my time trying to get unstuck on those losing days, haha.
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Old 03-05-2014, 02:42 PM   #6616
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I should keep separate track of my winrate with 7 or more players vs. 6 or less.

I seem to consistently lose when it's down to 4, especially with a couple of looser players in the game. Probably because I'm opening up my aggression ranges, trying to bluff more, and they're calling down with even worse hands (apparently they do understand that hands are worth more short-handed), so my aggression becomes (ironically) even more useless.
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Old 03-05-2014, 03:52 PM   #6617
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100k a year is definitely doable but you need to be putting in 160 hours a week (at 2-5)

It gets much better if you can play in deeper games
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Old 03-05-2014, 03:55 PM   #6618
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100k a year is definitely doable but you need to be putting in 160 hours a week (at 2-5)

It gets much better if you can play in deeper games
The LVL thread was about making $100k playing 1/2 for 2500 hours in a year. 160 hours a week is a lot, 160 hours a month not so bad
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Old 03-05-2014, 03:57 PM   #6619
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This book may be too advance, but so are some of the concepts behind late position plays:

http://redchippoker.com/store/late-position-ebook/
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100k a year is definitely doable but you need to be putting in 160 hours a week (at 2-5)

It gets much better if you can play in deeper games
Huh? Crusher can do $50/hr for 2k hours and get there...2k hours=40 hrs/week
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Old 03-05-2014, 03:59 PM   #6620
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100k a year is definitely doable but you need to be putting in 160 hours a week (at 2-5)

It gets much better if you can play in deeper games

wow 160 hrs per week that does not leave much time for anything else

assume u mean 160/month my man
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Old 03-05-2014, 04:11 PM   #6621
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Oops i meant 160/month LOL

160 a week your living at the casino and sleeping 1 hour a day rofl


Hmmm now that i think about it though.... If i could put in enough time doing 160 a week i could be a million in less than a year!!

Lol

F it one of these days i should just go grind 24 hours plus. The longest ive ever gone is 14 hours (when i first started) I get so burnt out now after just 6 hours its kind of demoralizing.


Wish i had a poker buddy i could grind with. Would make it easier

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Old 03-05-2014, 04:38 PM   #6622
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HLB, you're making the bad assumption that your WR remains constant regardless number of hours spent at the table.
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Old 03-05-2014, 05:08 PM   #6623
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HLB, you're making the bad assumption that your WR remains constant regardless number of hours spent at the table.
And it definitely does not! Though I've already tried and lost this argument (lost by default of quitting the argument)
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Old 03-05-2014, 05:48 PM   #6624
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HLB, you're making the bad assumption that your WR remains constant regardless number of hours spent at the table.
Yes you are correct there are definitely diminishing returns
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Old 03-05-2014, 10:18 PM   #6625
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Yes you are correct there are definitely diminishing returns
Usually yes. Sometimes, the table is just THAT good!
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