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Old 03-03-2014, 04:14 PM   #6576
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Re: Moving up to 5/10 nl

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Yes. Too much to explain in this pointless thread but bluffing/bluff catching are far more frequent/significant the higher stakes you play. Another way of putting it is redline should be directly correlated with stake, gaining significance the higher you go. (Though I am in the "redline is hugely overrated" camp, but that is another story)

OP what you are doing is suicide but you won't listen to us anyways. Have fun.
Heh, this was originally a thread of its own but got moved here. I was referring to OSUcowboy in my response.

Funny redline is being discussed here as well.

I tend to agree with HLB and I don't think it's close.
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Old 03-03-2014, 04:15 PM   #6577
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but I think the higher you move up the more of a cushion you want in case you are outmatched.
Generally, you do need a higher bankroll as you move up, because your winrate decreases.

You would want a smaller bankroll if you were outmatched, since you would inevitably lose it sooner or later.
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Old 03-03-2014, 05:00 PM   #6578
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It depends a lot in how you have approached the lower limit NL games.

For example, if you have been mostly an ABC player making money off good table selection, then 5/10 would seem like a different world.

There isn't really an answer without thoroughly examining one's game.
What info would you need?
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Old 03-03-2014, 05:13 PM   #6579
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I would ask you a series of math questions to gauge your understanding of hand combinations, board textures, betting and calling frequency, and pot odds.

Then I'll ask you series of questions to gauge your ability to adapt to unbalanced lines.

After that, I think I would have a decent grasp of your understanding of the game to be able to tell you whether you'll do well in a 5/10 game.
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Old 03-03-2014, 05:19 PM   #6580
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Shoot I'm always up for a test.
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Old 03-03-2014, 05:28 PM   #6581
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I really am curious. I crushed the 1/2.when I was playing consistently, and did pretty well(much smaller sample size in the 2/5). I've always wanted to give 5/10 a shot and was curious how my current skill set would translate.
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Old 03-03-2014, 05:36 PM   #6582
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I would ask you a series of math questions to gauge your understanding of hand combinations, board textures, betting and calling frequency, and pot odds.

Then I'll ask you series of questions to gauge your ability to adapt to unbalanced lines.

After that, I think I would have a decent grasp of your understanding of the game to be able to tell you whether you'll do well in a 5/10 game.
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Old 03-03-2014, 05:57 PM   #6583
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How do you deal with significant downswings? Mentally and emotionally I find it very discouraging. I began a bankroll with $20 and built it up to $1500 playing 1-1 and 1-2 over about a month and recently had 9/13 losing sessions and dropped my BR down to $400.

I think partially it is because I have been reading a couple of Ed Miller's books (How to read hands, Playing the player) and I am changing my game up a bit so I am trying new plays at the table, but other than that I feel I have been running cold and begin to doubt myself.

What do you guys do to adjust during a downswing? take time off? or grind at lower stakes? Thanks.
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Old 03-03-2014, 06:02 PM   #6584
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There isn't any way of dealing with downswing if your roll is literally 200 to 400bb.
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Old 03-03-2014, 06:23 PM   #6585
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How do you deal with significant downswings? Mentally and emotionally I find it very discouraging. I began a bankroll with $20 and built it up to $1500 playing 1-1 and 1-2 over about a month and recently had 9/13 losing sessions and dropped my BR down to $400.
Wait what ... you started playing with a BR of 10 BB's?
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Old 03-03-2014, 06:56 PM   #6586
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I would ask you a series of math questions to gauge your understanding of hand combinations, board textures, betting and calling frequency, and pot odds.

Then I'll ask you series of questions to gauge your ability to adapt to unbalanced lines.

After that, I think I would have a decent grasp of your understanding of the game to be able to tell you whether you'll do well in a 5/10 game.
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Old 03-03-2014, 07:03 PM   #6587
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Wait what ... you started playing with a BR of 10 BB's?
Well playing home games at .25/.25 I built it up to a few hundred and moved to 1-1 or 1-2 when I would play at my casino.

So what I meant was my initial investment was only $20.
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Old 03-03-2014, 07:35 PM   #6588
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red lines and blue lines and purple lines and zig zag lines yadda yadda aren't important at all, spending 3 seconds thinking about them is already too much
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Old 03-03-2014, 07:37 PM   #6589
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How do you deal with significant downswings? Mentally and emotionally I find it very discouraging. I began a bankroll with $20 and built it up to $1500 playing 1-1 and 1-2 over about a month and recently had 9/13 losing sessions and dropped my BR down to $400.

I think partially it is because I have been reading a couple of Ed Miller's books (How to read hands, Playing the player) and I am changing my game up a bit so I am trying new plays at the table, but other than that I feel I have been running cold and begin to doubt myself.

What do you guys do to adjust during a downswing? take time off? or grind at lower stakes? Thanks.

My few cents:

Yes, taking som time off and regroup yourself is very important when fighting a downswing/runbad period. I have faced it several times myself during my 2 years of regular liveplay,aswell as my online background.

The main reason why i believe taking some time off the tables i because your judgement get manipulated in a way when your running bad and the 2,3 and 4 outers just rain down on you. Youre starting to question yourself as a player, your abilities and your selfesteem. If you keep on playing with that kind of mindset you can very possibly start to spew/or play a losing style of poker due to my experience.

The break doesent necessarly need to be a long one, a week or two could be enough. What i recommend is that you fill that time with something that makes you happy. A girlfriend, another hobby, hangout with good friends or whatever fills up your energylevel, and makes you happy. Get your batteries charged, your mindset refreshed and then come back to the table.
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Old 03-03-2014, 07:41 PM   #6590
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Old 03-03-2014, 08:01 PM   #6591
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I consider myself a tight player I play ABC poker since there is not much room to bluff at 1/2 and 2/5 way too many stations and fish who will call you down with a one pair kind of hand ( needless to say they pay you off when you do have a monster ) I have no idea on the level of play in 5/10 should I just stick to my game or what changes should I make
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Old 03-03-2014, 09:19 PM   #6592
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Been preparing for a switch to 50/50 between 1/2 and 2/5, I'm not a stats wizard but I've done pretty well I think. Let me know how my stats compare or what else to include: (All Live btw)
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*~$12/hr over 780ish hrs (20% at .25/.50; 50% at .5/1&1/1; 30% at 1/2&2/2)
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What else to include? I got an app full of data, graphs etc.
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Old 03-04-2014, 02:59 AM   #6593
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hey guys, any links to good articles about playing position in poker?

I was looking at the "Best of LLSNL" thread, and lots of advice there, but too much to sift through.

Or someone post some cliffs notes about exploiting late position, and specific stuff. Like 3-betting lighter, c-bet flop....etc...

I just want to implement that into my game. thanks.
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hey guys, any links to good articles about playing position in poker?

I was looking at the "Best of LLSNL" thread, and lots of advice there, but too much to sift through.

Or someone post some cliffs notes about exploiting late position, and specific stuff. Like 3-betting lighter, c-bet flop....etc...

I just want to implement that into my game. thanks.
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Old 03-04-2014, 03:26 AM   #6595
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Wilverine,

I would try to first play closer to 100% of 1/2 to 1/3 only, to get a feel of the player's abilities and comfort level with variance/br swings, then slowly incorporate some 2/5s when the game is good, and slowly increase the % of 2/5 to 50% if it's going well.
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Wilverine,

I would try to first play closer to 100% of 1/2 to 1/3 only, to get a feel of the player's abilities and comfort level with variance/br swings, then slowly incorporate some 2/5s when the game is good, and slowly increase the % of 2/5 to 50% if it's going well.
I almost exclusively do play 1/2 now (only 1 weekly 1/1) and the main one I play is a very big one. Raises average 10-25 pre, $5 straddles are plentiful, stacks average 150bb and I've been buying in for 300 to prepare. I'm working my way there but my stats are over the past few years and include lots of lower limits. Your advice still applies tho and is appreciated.
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Old 03-04-2014, 07:28 AM   #6597
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Currently in a $1800 downswing. Wr has varied between 13-22hr over 456hr sample(yea its small don't judge), roll roughly 3.2k play 2-100 spread. Help me not lose my mind and roll plz
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Currently in a $1800 downswing. Wr has varied between 13-22hr over 456hr sample(yea its small don't judge), roll roughly 3.2k play 2-100 spread. Help me not lose my mind and roll plz
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Old 03-04-2014, 10:04 AM   #6599
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hey guys, any links to good articles about playing position in poker?

I was looking at the "Best of LLSNL" thread, and lots of advice there, but too much to sift through.

Or someone post some cliffs notes about exploiting late position, and specific stuff. Like 3-betting lighter, c-bet flop....etc...

I just want to implement that into my game. thanks.
This right here folks is why poker will never die
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This right here folks is why poker will never die
Oops shouldn't have recommended him micro fr stickies in that case. Way too much content in there. Who wants that?
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