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View Poll Results: What is your Win Rate in terms of BB per Housr
Less than 0 (losing)
5 6.41%
0-2.5
0 0%
2.5-5
6 7.69%
5-7.5
8 10.26%
7.5-10
15 19.23%
10+
26 33.33%
Not enough sample size/I don't know
18 23.08%

02-12-2014 , 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Newyorkgrinder
i can stomach 1k swings....its not the $ value that makes me sick its the % of bankroll matter

if u only cared who i really was lmfao!!!!

fyp
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02-12-2014 , 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Newyorkgrinder
im pretty sure im above average - the average 1-2nl player is a complete drooler at foxwoods
If this was actually true you wouldn't be writing this OP
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02-12-2014 , 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Newyorkgrinder
i can stomach 1k swings....its not the $ value that makes me sick its the % of bankroll matter

if u only knew who i really was lmfao!!!!
Who are you? The next durrrr?
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02-12-2014 , 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Newyorkgrinder
im pretty sure im above average - the average 1-2nl player is a complete drooler at foxwoods ...and ive dabbled a lot lately in 2-5nl but i dont like going thru 4 figure swings with a bankroll under 50k so im gonna wait
If you're really above average, you should know it for certain instead of being "pretty sure". Unless you're playing extremely loose aggro tables, assuming 100bb tables, $20K is plenty. Even $30K should be enough at pretty much any $2/5 table. Really? $10K downswings at $2/5? You would have to run extremely bad to go on a $10K downswing and even then it might happen like once a year. Or you could be making a lot of mistakes
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02-12-2014 , 01:41 AM
$3.50
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02-12-2014 , 03:38 AM
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Originally Posted by slimshady1999
Do the math. $20/hr 40 hours a week is $40K a year. Problem is not many people actually play $1/2 full time. I can't speak for your location but at most $1/2 games, a top player should be making $30/hr at least
This , with top player being the operative phrase.

I used to play an assload of sng's before the gubmint shut down online poker. I played a little cash on Carbon to get the feel of it and since I spend the winter playing horses at Pompano Park, I decided to give 1-2nl a little spin.

I've played about 100 hours over the past 2 weeks and I ran across a 25ish guy that absolutely kills it on a daily basis. If I've been there 14 days, I've seen him 12 of them and only maybe 2 days he didn't have > $800 in front of him. And I've played a bunch with him and he doesn't play a wild style where he stacks off light, he plays slightly aggressive raising pf and is observant and thinks hands through and makes very few errors. I asked him if he wanted to be staked and move up and he said he makes a very good low variance living at 1-2

So, I know lol sample size, but a nice living can be made at 1-2 for top players.
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02-12-2014 , 03:42 AM
there's a whole friggin giant thread dedicated to this already, + the 20 other closed threads that were made before reading that thread.
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02-12-2014 , 04:02 AM
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Originally Posted by np1235711
This , with top player being the operative phrase.

I used to play an assload of sng's before the gubmint shut down online poker. I played a little cash on Carbon to get the feel of it and since I spend the winter playing horses at Pompano Park, I decided to give 1-2nl a little spin.

I've played about 100 hours over the past 2 weeks and I ran across a 25ish guy that absolutely kills it on a daily basis. If I've been there 14 days, I've seen him 12 of them and only maybe 2 days he didn't have > $800 in front of him. And I've played a bunch with him and he doesn't play a wild style where he stacks off light, he plays slightly aggressive raising pf and is observant and thinks hands through and makes very few errors. I asked him if he wanted to be staked and move up and he said he makes a very good low variance living at 1-2

So, I know lol sample size, but a nice living can be made at 1-2 for top players.
Ya...no.

If you live in Florida and play 1/2...you're a fool.
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02-12-2014 , 04:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Newyorkgrinder
1-2nl , hero raises to 7 dollars, button shoves for 60, sb calls allin for 60, bb flat calls 60 with 200 behind, hero mucks aa faceup and saves rest of his money...flop qxx qq good hero saves 50 dollars

villian opens to 16 dollars with q5o, sb calls with 100 behind, hero mucks aa and does not get it allin vs 66 cuz he knows flop is coming xx6 - hero saves 100$+

-OP's hand history from other thread
Lol @ ^^^^ live $1/2 play

Lol @ "I'm above average player"

lol @ "I can't handle 4 buy-in swings at $2/5 with 50k bankroll "

OP sounds like my friend Chris. He always tells me he's the best player in the field. We both started at $1/1NL. Today, he's still at 1/1nl. I'm at 2/5 - 5/10
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02-12-2014 , 04:20 AM
Reasons why you won't succeed in poker.

1. You ask horrible questions:

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Originally Posted by Newyorkgrinder
is it possible to make a living at 1-2nl?
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Originally Posted by Newyorkgrinder
is it doable to pull like 40k+ a year at 1-2nl?
2. You don't know what you're talking about:

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Originally Posted by Newyorkgrinder
ive asked around and it seems pretty doable to make good money at 2-5nl and even easier at 5-10 if you play really well but my question is what if you do full time (like 40hr a week) at 1-2nl ONLY and are very very bankroll conservative and don't plan on moving up to 2-5nl regularly until you have like 100 buyins (or more) to reduce risk of ruin?
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Originally Posted by Newyorkgrinder
but playing w complete idiots = printing $
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Originally Posted by Newyorkgrinder
and ive dabbled a lot lately in 2-5nl but i dont like going thru 4 figure swings with a bankroll under 50k so im gonna wait
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Originally Posted by Newyorkgrinder
i can stomach 1k swings....its not the $ value that makes me sick its the % of bankroll matter
3. You overestimate your own ability:

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Originally Posted by Newyorkgrinder
im pretty sure im above average - the average 1-2nl player is a complete drooler at foxwoods
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Originally Posted by Newyorkgrinder
if u only knew who i really was lmfao!!!!
Bottom line: sometime it's easy to judge a book by its cover.
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02-12-2014 , 04:33 AM
Unless you can find some angle shot where the floor will ship you a player without cards's stack ... No you can't.

Oh, and I'm pretty sure I've seen another thread with about 12750 posts all about winrates and bankrolls somewhere ....
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02-12-2014 , 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Vnr162
Lol @ ^^^^ live $1/2 play

Lol @ "I'm above average player"

lol @ "I can't handle 4 buy-in swings at $2/5 with 50k bankroll "

OP sounds like my friend Chris. He always tells me he's the best player in the field. We both started at $1/1NL. Today, he's still at 1/1nl. I'm at 2/5 - 5/10
Solid 4th post.
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02-12-2014 , 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Newyorkgrinder
if u only knew who i really was lmfao!!!!
I know! You're Governor Christie from Jersey, right? Is that 20K all that's left of the Sandy fund?

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Originally Posted by Richard Parker
Bout tree fiddy
FYP.
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02-12-2014 , 06:25 AM
bankrolls well over 20k
NOT THIS TIME BUDDY!

and you can google search my name - but i wont tell u it

let's just say I am an epic 2p2 hero from bout 5 years ago....
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02-12-2014 , 06:48 AM
I play mostly 2/5. my roll (networth lolz) is ~15k. once in a while when I drop like 2k in a weekend I decide to go down to 1/2 but I get bored as fk so I just move back up and gambull I'm actually getting a little bored at 2/5 now that you mention it thinkin of giving 5/10 a shot.

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WAIT....YOUR ROLLS 50K????


Cliffs: OP is leveling us and/or has no dick
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02-12-2014 , 07:04 AM
has no dick
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02-12-2014 , 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by PoppaLarge
So I haven't put in a lot of time on them but it seems like consensus is poker income > poker manager > poker history +. I just want to pick one up and go with it before I get too deep in data. Any huge differences?


No huge difference. Go with the.visual interface you like best.
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02-12-2014 , 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Newyorkgrinder
bankrolls well over 20k
NOT THIS TIME BUDDY!

and you can google search my name - but i wont tell u it

let's just say I am an epic 2p2 hero from bout 5 years ago....
This is the internet where we can all remain nameless / faceless if we want.

If you are so sure that you are so good at this game, then you should learn to study more.
If you study more, you would read this thread instead of asking the same question that 1000 other people have asked before you. You would then get a sense of what is normal, what is below average, and what is the top of the field.

Then you will turn around and say 'Ok, what is a livable income for my self' and you will determine for your self if you can make a living playing.

Also, if you can't handle a swing of 10% of your bankroll, then you are likely not mentally prepared for the game. Most people who play this game for a living will go through a downswing of more than 10% of their bankroll (2.5k at 2/5 for example) at many times in their life as a player.
It's a tough game to grind in an out every single day. It's mentally challenging which is most of the reason that the game is so much fun. But it's also work. Hard work to stay ahead of the curve. To learn more than the rest.

Really it just sounds like you're yet another poster 'who has a dream' but you don't want to put in the real work. You don't want to study up as much as you need. And you want to tout 'who you are' as if it was something special. Either tell people and they will decide if they care or not, or shut up about it. It's not like we're all lying in bed at night wonder 'who is this guy, I just have to know'.
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02-12-2014 , 09:55 AM
Some serious insecurity issues ITT
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02-12-2014 , 12:01 PM
Whatever anyone reading this thread thinks, don't think...

I only have 10 - 30 buyins and I can't play bc I need 50 before I sit down. That is just flawed thinking. There is no magic number, there is such thing as profit though, and if you try to go up that is all that you should be focusing on.
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02-12-2014 , 12:04 PM
To understand RoR, you kind of have to figure out the variables first.

Here is food for thought:

A losing player can have 100 BI and still go busto...
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02-12-2014 , 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard Parker
To understand RoR, you kind of have to figure out the variables first.

Here is food for thought:

A losing player can have 100 BI and still go busto...
Plot twist: as can a winning player ...
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02-12-2014 , 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard Parker
To understand RoR, you kind of have to figure out the variables first.

Here is food for thought:

A losing player can have 100 BI and still go busto...
Assuming no replenishment, a losing player will go bust with a million buy ins. If you have standard deviation stat you.can calculate your risk of.ruin rather easily. But ya, lots of variables, I can make the argument that borrowing power is more important that bankroll management. Also a guy in his parents basement can probably get by with 40-50k playing plo live. Guy with expenses probably needs closer to 100k
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02-12-2014 , 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by nutinsider
Assuming no replenishment, a losing player will go bust with a million buy ins. If you have standard deviation stat you.can calculate your risk of.ruin rather easily. But ya, lots of variables, I can make the argument that borrowing power is more important that bankroll management. Also a guy in his parents basement can probably get by with 40-50k playing plo live. Guy with expenses probably needs closer to 100k
probably not. unless he runs really bad or is a turtle or something.
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02-12-2014 , 09:02 PM
You should be able to make $20/hr playing 1-2 if you are in the top 5% of players, meaning very good


In general, 10bb/hr is attainable up to about 2-5, any higher than that and there is some diminishing returns due to less mega fish, villians with better fundamentals, etc


Work on your fundamentals and you should be able to crush 1-2 and 2-5. You should always be the best or second best player at the table. If you arent, switch off and find another table.
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