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Old 02-08-2014, 08:57 PM   #6326
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Okay, sorry, I posted this in another forum, but recommendations for tracker apps for Android? I am semi-grunching but my search of this thread didn't give me much people seemed thrilled about.

I am playing with Poker Manager but just the free version--any differences with the paid version other than the free version won't let you enter more than 15 sessions?
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Old 02-08-2014, 09:01 PM   #6327
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Okay, sorry, I posted this in another forum, but recommendations for tracker apps for Android? I am semi-grunching but my search of this thread didn't give me much people seemed thrilled about.

I am playing with Poker Manager but just the free version--any differences with the paid version other than the free version won't let you enter more than 15 sessions?
Poker session logger is free and is not bad.
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Old 02-08-2014, 09:14 PM   #6328
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Okay, sorry, I posted this in another forum, but recommendations for tracker apps for Android? I am semi-grunching but my search of this thread didn't give me much people seemed thrilled about.

I am playing with Poker Manager but just the free version--any differences with the paid version other than the free version won't let you enter more than 15 sessions?
Poker income pro $10 & u can back it up online. Been using it for years

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Old 02-08-2014, 09:28 PM   #6329
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Poker income pro $10 & u can back it up online. Been using it for years

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Old 02-08-2014, 11:23 PM   #6330
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Gross. What stakes do you play?


I play lots of omaha. =]. Avg game has no blinds. Button straddle 10-25. It plays like a 5-10 or 10-20. Mostly home games. Rake is expensive. Like 30-40 an hour. Observed hourly rate is 40/hour. I would say that over my sample 35% of the hands are Omaha and 65% hold em. Although lately and moving forward I prefer omaha unless I'm running horrid (15-20k swing down in omaha). When I run bad in omaha I play more hold em. I would not feel comfy playing omaha with these limits without a liquid roll of 50-100k. Some games have as much as 50k on table. Some have maybe 10k.
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Old 02-08-2014, 11:30 PM   #6331
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What stakes is that? Any play bad or all run bad?


Regarding the question about volatility vs playing poorly. I am super confident that most if not all of my losses are from standard omaha volatility. No one knows how volatile plo is until you play it and experience it. Another reason I believe that it is standard run bad is because multiple players always ask me "how do you not tilt. I never see any discernable emotion out of you or bad play?"
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Old 02-09-2014, 02:10 AM   #6332
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Fair enough. Thanks for the reply.
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Old 02-10-2014, 02:01 AM   #6333
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I am using poker manager for android.

I tried to search for poker income but couldn't find it.

After using the free version of poker manager for nearly a year they finally made me purchase about a month ago. It just kept "suggesting" that I should purchase pro but I didn't want to pay and figured the free version is good enough.

Finally after a long session one day they wouldn't let me finish my session and kept saying I had to pay. Next day same thing, so I paid the 8.99 or whatever and the pro version is exactly the same as the free version.

It's ok but there has to be something better out there. There are some features I would like to use that they don't offer such as filtering your stats based on specific days, such as Fridays, Monday, etc.
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Old 02-10-2014, 02:19 AM   #6334
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I am using poker manager for android.

I tried to search for poker income but couldn't find it...

...It's ok but there has to be something better out there. There are some features I would like to use that they don't offer such as filtering your stats based on specific days, such as Fridays, Monday, etc.
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Old 02-10-2014, 05:17 AM   #6335
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I am using poker manager for android.

I tried to search for poker income but couldn't find it.

After using the free version of poker manager for nearly a year they finally made me purchase about a month ago. It just kept "suggesting" that I should purchase pro but I didn't want to pay and figured the free version is good enough.

Finally after a long session one day they wouldn't let me finish my session and kept saying I had to pay. Next day same thing, so I paid the 8.99 or whatever and the pro version is exactly the same as the free version.

It's ok but there has to be something better out there. There are some features I would like to use that they don't offer such as filtering your stats based on specific days, such as Fridays, Monday, etc.



I have poker manager. You can filter by days. I wish it featured the total standard deviation of all your sessions. That would be awesome. Overall I'm happy with it but I do feel poker journal is superior. IOS users run better!
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Old 02-10-2014, 07:01 AM   #6336
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Just came across a relatively new tracking app called poker history. Looks really good. Droid.
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Old 02-10-2014, 02:53 PM   #6337
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^Looks good but after 10 sessions you must purchase the app.

The best free app for Android is Session Logger. IMO
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Old 02-10-2014, 03:01 PM   #6338
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I use poker history. It's pretty nice, but yeah you have to pay $4.99 after 10 sessions. I just paid it without much thought. I read somewhere that it actually holds your data "hostage" if you don't export data before the 10th session. Can't confirm if true because I just paid when it prompted.
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Old 02-10-2014, 04:58 PM   #6339
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I use poker history. It's pretty nice, but yeah you have to pay $4.99 after 10 sessions. I just paid it without much thought. I read somewhere that it actually holds your data "hostage" if you don't export data before the 10th session. Can't confirm if true because I just paid when it prompted.
That's totally reasonable. I think I paid like 9 or 10 for poker manager? And I don't get the ever so useful standard deviation stat! So many other useful stats are derived from this number (risk of ruin, bankroll reqs, confidence intervals) It's truly sad the developers have left this out when poker journal, poker history, and many others have it.
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Old 02-10-2014, 05:05 PM   #6340
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That's totally reasonable. I think I paid like 9 or 10 for poker manager? And I don't get the ever so useful standard deviation stat! So many other useful stats are derived from this number (risk of ruin, bankroll reqs, confidence intervals) It's truly sad the developers have left this out when poker journal, poker history, and many others have it.
Poker history does not have the standard deviation stat either as far as I can see..
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Old 02-10-2014, 05:06 PM   #6341
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hang on, lol, it's not poker history that I use at all, It's "Poker income". Apologies
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Old 02-10-2014, 05:46 PM   #6342
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hang on, lol, it's not poker history that I use at all, It's "Poker income". Apologies
It looks like the directors from the movie "Tron" developed poker income. This is not a bad thing, I like Tron.
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Old 02-11-2014, 01:21 PM   #6343
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So I haven't put in a lot of time on them but it seems like consensus is poker income > poker manager > poker history +. I just want to pick one up and go with it before I get too deep in data. Any huge differences?
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Old 02-11-2014, 01:36 PM   #6344
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I have used Poker Journal for a few years and like it. Most likely still a free trial version and then can buy the real one and it will have your trial data should you like it.
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Old 02-11-2014, 05:27 PM   #6345
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Sorry, I have an android and afaik don't think PJ has an android app...
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Old 02-12-2014, 12:54 AM   #6346
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reasonable 1-2nl winrate at live poker (foxwoods in particular)??

is it possible to make a living at 1-2nl? ive asked around and it seems pretty doable to make good money at 2-5nl and even easier at 5-10 if you play really well but my question is what if you do full time (like 40hr a week) at 1-2nl ONLY and are very very bankroll conservative and don't plan on moving up to 2-5nl regularly until you have like 100 buyins (or more) to reduce risk of ruin?

is it doable to pull like 40k+ a year at 1-2nl?
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Old 02-12-2014, 01:00 AM   #6347
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Re: reasonable 1-2nl winrate at live poker (foxwoods in particular)??

It's possible but only for "good" players. Most people good enough move up to $2/5 or higher. Being average isn't even enough to break even because of the rake. Think about how much better you actually have to be relative to the field to make 10+bb/hr
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Old 02-12-2014, 01:03 AM   #6348
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Re: reasonable 1-2nl winrate at live poker (foxwoods in particular)??

im pretty sure im above average - the average 1-2nl player is a complete drooler at foxwoods ...and ive dabbled a lot lately in 2-5nl but i dont like going thru 4 figure swings with a bankroll under 50k so im gonna wait
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Old 02-12-2014, 01:03 AM   #6349
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Re: reasonable 1-2nl winrate at live poker (foxwoods in particular)??

Do the math. $20/hr 40 hours a week is $40K a year. Problem is not many people actually play $1/2 full time. I can't speak for your location but at most $1/2 games, a top player should be making $30/hr at least
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Old 02-12-2014, 01:04 AM   #6350
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If you're good enough to kill $1/$2, you should be moving up when your bankroll is big enough.
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