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Old 12-28-2013, 05:48 PM   #6051
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Speaking of "topoff", how do you guys and gals topoff in a live cash game? I keep $25 chips in my pocket and secretly reach in and put it in my stack after I've folded a hand but before I've been dealt the next hand.
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Old 12-28-2013, 06:09 PM   #6052
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Speaking of "topoff", how do you guys and gals topoff in a live cash game? I keep $25 chips in my pocket and secretly reach in and put it in my stack after I've folded a hand but before I've been dealt the next hand.
That's exactly what I do.

However if I lose a big hand I'll normally add on for $100 bills so that I don't have a stack of just $25 chips. Like if I'm sitting on $300, lose a $250 pot, I'll normally pull out 2x $25 chips, and add on for $200 more in cash.
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Old 12-28-2013, 09:04 PM   #6053
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I only top off on my button. I don't make any secret about it, but I don't say anything either.

But yeah, green chips, in my nasty little pocketses.

Otherwise, I just pull out another Benjamin.
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Old 12-28-2013, 09:08 PM   #6054
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^ +1
I usually wait to top off till I'm on my button unless im down a significant amount of BBs
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Old 12-29-2013, 01:21 AM   #6055
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Literally top off as soon as the stack is under 500.

Always keep 500 in green, 500 in black, and a couple purples on me on top of my initial buy in. $100-150 of greens in the back pocket, and rest in the bag. Blacks always in the bag.

Really don't bring much cash anymore really. Bills don't play anyway, so no real point and rather just avoid buying chips repeatedly or calling the chip runner.
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Old 12-29-2013, 10:44 AM   #6056
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Personally I don't really feel the need to keep track of buy-ins and top offs separate. I also play in uncapped games for the most part, but just having one number which i my net total on the day is much cleaner for me.

The only reason to keep track of buy ins would be if you're trying to discover a stoploss for yourself, and see how many buy ins you can lose and keep playing well.
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Old 12-29-2013, 11:10 AM   #6057
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I can't predict what info will prove useful so I tend to start wide and narrow over time.

Tracking top up is interesting to me if perhaps ultimately not very useful.
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Old 12-29-2013, 03:43 PM   #6058
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Personally I don't really feel the need to keep track of buy-ins and top offs separate. I also play in uncapped games for the most part, but just having one number which i my net total on the day is much cleaner for me.

The only reason to keep track of buy ins would be if you're trying to discover a stoploss for yourself, and see how many buy ins you can lose and keep playing well.
+1

I just have a "total in" column. So I know if I was in for $750 that I bought in for $500 and topped off $250 worth throughout the session. I could have a column that calclutes total buy in off of this but thats just noise imo.

Really all you need to know is that you were in for $750

If I'm in a unique game I simply note it in the comments.
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Old 12-29-2013, 03:58 PM   #6059
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I feel the same way.
Just seems tedious record all of my top offs.

And i don't see the benefit of it.

But lap is right. Might as well have extra info that you can take away later.
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Old 12-29-2013, 04:18 PM   #6060
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I don't keep tracks of buyins or rebuys at all. At the end of each session I just type in: date, hours played, profit, comments, and changes to BR. All my stats are generated using this information and it works fine for me.
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Old 01-02-2014, 12:33 PM   #6061
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So I've been fortunate enough to play well (run well?) in some tournaments this year, and therefore I'm selling shares for a slight premium for a tournament series that i'm playing in this weekend.

My questions is, how would people account for the extra premium in their win rate?

Example: I enter into a $200 tournament. I sell 20% profit for $45. The $5 is my fee essentially it covers my expected return. But should I just reduce my entrance fee for the tournament by the $5, should I increase my cash out? So, even if I didn't cash at all, I can say that I made $5 on the tournament.

Or what other ideas do people have?

Thanks for your help.
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Old 01-02-2014, 12:38 PM   #6062
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I would have like a "subsidy" column or something and just have it all broken out.

So like (in columns not rows)

Total buy in: $200
Personal buy in: $160
% sold: 20%
Subsidy: $5

The reason to have it all is because like a $160 buy in tournament where you have 100% of your action will look the same on paper if you only record the net buy in, but in reality they are entirely different in payout structure to you.

I'd call your premium/profit a "subsidy" because it sounds fancy and that's kind of what they are doing.
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Old 01-02-2014, 12:55 PM   #6063
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How was everyone's 2013 poker-wise?

My 2013 was better than I thought could possibly be possible (and would have even been better had I not ended on a sour note):



My current overall at 1490:25 hours:




My yearly totals for 1/3 NL to date:

2010: 23 sessions, $3,308 over 125:10 hours = $26.43/hr (8.81 bb/hr)
2011: 56 sessions, $9,993 over 386:10 hours = $25.88/hr (8.63 bb/hr)
2012: 53 sessions, $12,809 over 410:45 hours = $31.18/hr (10.39 bb/hr)
2013: 67 sessions, $20,162 over 568:20 hours = $35.48/hr (11.83 bb/hr)

Total: 199 sessions, $46,272 over 1490:25 hours = $31.05/hr (10.35 bb/hr)


December 2013 got off to an awesome start, booking my 3rd biggest win ever in my first session, but the remainder of the month I played bad / ran bad and actually lost money, but thanks to that first session I still booked my 19 consecutive winning month. During the Christmas break I got out 6 times / ~41 hours and actually lost 54 bbs, so the year kinda ended suckily.

I'm expecting 2014 to suck poker results-wise as I just don't see how I can keep bipping at this rate with my skill level. Obviously I play in the worlds easiest 1/3 NL game, but my guess is that I'll be quite happy shipping 10K this year for a moderate winrate. I guess we'll see what happens.

Good luck to everyone at the tables in 2014!

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Old 01-02-2014, 01:06 PM   #6064
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My previous roll got eliminated by life expenses, and I took a long break from poker. I started up again with $200 playing live 1/2 at the end of November. So, my 2013 consisted exclusively of the month of December. I played 81 hours in Dec at a $30/hr winrate. Small sample size, I know, but indicative of what I was doing with my previous roll, and happy with the roll rebuilding so far. Let's go, 2014!

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Old 01-02-2014, 01:26 PM   #6065
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Made a little over $59k in 2013, mostly at 1/2. December was pretty up and down, had my biggest downswing of the year, then got it all back and more last week of the year. 2014 off to a good start with a $656 win last night.

December 2013 stats:










Some 1/2 stats over first 100 hours since I downloaded pokerjournal (obviously sustainable):



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Old 01-02-2014, 01:35 PM   #6066
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I hate uploading images. sigh. arg! How do I F ing fix this?


Not a lot of volume, but man was it a good year.

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Old 01-02-2014, 01:35 PM   #6067
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Old 01-02-2014, 01:39 PM   #6068
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My previous roll got eliminated by life expenses, and I took a long break from poker. I started up again with $200 playing live 1/2 at the end of November. So, my 2013 consisted exclusively of the month of December. I played 81 hours in Dec at a $30/hr winrate. Small sample size, I know, but indicative of what I was doing with my previous roll, and happy with the roll rebuilding so far. Let's go, 2014!
1 buyin roll is ballsy, so GJ with spinning it up! Do your best to keep the life roll separate from the BR this year


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I hate uploading images. sigh.


Not a lot of volume, but man was it a good year.
imgur app is great for uploading from phone and whatnot. I like it much more than trying to use imageshack or photobucket.

GJ on the results and hopefully you can get some more volume this year.
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Old 01-02-2014, 01:41 PM   #6069
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I can't remember how to resize these F ers.

F ers resized. Boom.

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Old 01-02-2014, 01:46 PM   #6070
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1 buyin roll is ballsy, so GJ with spinning it up! Do your best to keep the life roll separate from the BR this year
Thanks. I should have clarified, those results were at 1/2 100max, not 200max. So, I technically started with 2 BIs. I'm not planning on playing 200max until my roll is 4k. And my plan is to keep it 100% separate (i.e., no poker money out, no non-poker money in).
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Old 01-02-2014, 01:55 PM   #6071
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I hate uploading images. sigh. arg! How do I F ing fix this?


Not a lot of volume, but man was it a good year.

fyp
to get the url for the "real image" right click on it in imageshack and chose copy image url... youre posting a link to a thumbnail i think
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Old 01-02-2014, 01:57 PM   #6072
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Spike, what app is that?
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Old 01-02-2014, 02:04 PM   #6073
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Poker income. I am 100% satisfied with it.


Unless your talking about the results. That's the Spikeraw22 app. Not available in the app store.
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Old 01-02-2014, 02:07 PM   #6074
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Poker income. I am 100% satisfied with it.


Unless your talking about the results. That's the Spikeraw22 app. Not available in the app store.
Lol. Let me know when v2.0 is out.
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Old 01-02-2014, 02:29 PM   #6075
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Gobbledygeek, what app are you using? Obv looking for a new tracking app. I downloaded Poker Income, but have already identified a couple things with it that bug me.
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